Is all of this haste to dispose of the A-10 really all about freeing up resources to get that overpriced turkey otherwise known as the F-35 into service? At least I’ve seen that written and stated in several discussions about the retirement of the A-10. If that is true then retiring one of the most successful CAS aircraft in history would not be a mistake, it would be an act of monumental stulidity. Especially since the A-10 is still pretty useful. Unless the USAF has a replacement lined up because I don’t see the F-35 as an adequate replacement for the A-10 in the CAS role (never mind the fact that using the F-35 for CAS missions would be a waste of F-35s). Selling off mothballed A-10s would be a bad idea as well if it is done in large numbers since as far as I know manufacturing major airframe spares for the A-10 is not economical nor is restarting production and using mothballed aircraft for parts would seem useful. The Brits retired all but a few operational recon Canberras and scrapped the surplus airframes in a fit of frugality. Years late they were reduced to cannibalizing museum exhibits for spare parts. I’d prefer to keep surplus airframes in storage for future use.
A-10 would be very vulnerable in a modern battle field where the enemy has the Pantsir-S1, Tor, or even modern ManPads. A-10 is good at what it does right now against a non modern enemy. That is why it would be perfect for Israel. And before you bring up chopper gunships, gunships can fly really slow and hide behind hills and trees and pop up and take a shot and quickly pop down.
naaah… they just bought the F-35 to do that… 😉
They won’t have the F-35 until around 2017 and will only have a couple dozen.
Ah yes, that must be one of those ‘open minds’ that I’ve heard so much about! :rolleyes:
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Ah yes, that must be one of those ‘open minds’ that I’ve heard so much about! :rolleyes:
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I’ve seen a few posts in the past where people have argued that the A-10 Warthog would be a good CAS aircraft for different foreign air forces..till now that seemed to be just pipe dreams, with no A-10s having ever been exported. I’m not aware if they were ever offered for export, maybe they weren’t, but with the A-10 facing cuts in the USAF, it does seem like Boeing may have found a way to keep the A-10 going for a couple more decades, if they do find an international customer.
So which foreign nations would be possible A-10 customers? And how relevant is the CAS role that the A-10 performs in today’s battle space with advanced SAMs and MANPADS?
Well that’s easy. ISRAEL! If they were for sale. They won’t have to heavily rely on F-16s for their CAS ***removed***
Initial Operational Capability allows them to field 10-15 Aircraft in the first squadron in IOC_ready configuration with enough maintainers and pilots and support to send them to the front lines if a need arises. Will this be an ideal thing to do? NO, because what the Marines Corps has to do between mid to end 2015 and mid 2017 when they go to Japan is build up a force of support, maintainers, instructors and prepare themselves to receive a heck of a lot of F-35’s in the next decade and beyond. So yes, at IOC they could send the aircraft to fight a war if that is the need of the hour but it would not be an ideal way to go about doing it. The Marines aren’t introducing a new helicopter, or a troop carrier here but a complex Next Generation strike fighter that replaces multiple types in their inventory. Same applies for the USAF that introduces the F-35 as IOC in 2016, they would need a few years as well to have their force nicely prepped up before they would look to ideally begin deploying the weapons system. Needless to say, if there is an emergency situation IOC jets can be sent out. Heck in the past weapons system have been pulled up from testing and been sent to combat.
More Pictures from OT-1 currently underway
Another interesting tidbit from General Davis’s comments on OT-1 –
Davis said after breakfast that Marines are flying an engine module out aboard a V-22 to demonstrate it can done as part of the tests aboard the Wasp
Just beautiful pics.
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Astronaut Edgar Mitchell.
Astronaut Edgar Mitchell.
he obviously won’t say anything along the lines of: “we’ve got a piece of useless junk just to look good while doing nothing…”
The article says it clearly: when receiving new equipment, USMC usually send it to combat ASAP… except for that one
everybody can read into it what he wants, but I find it strange they need “enough trainers” for an aircraft that has no teainer version
WOW! I had no idea you could read minds because clearly Gen. Davis wasn’t quoted as saying that. Or could it be that you are suffering from what a lot of F-35 haters suffer from called, F35 Derangement Syndrome?
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LIES ALL LIES!! ELP, Don Porky, and Solomon have always said The F-35B will never be able to operate from those ships because the engine blast melts through the decks! How can this be? They know better!
naah… it was obvious all the way it wouldn’t see combat before quite some time. basically: “it is combat ready, but we’ll keep it out of combat” look a lot like an IOC aimed at reassuring rhe customers and bean counters much more than introducing a new system into service because it’s ready
No i don’t think so.
-Lt. Gen. Jon Davis made it clear he has no reservations about the plane going into combat. He just wants a chance to ensure there are enough trainers and maintainers to keep the fleet flying-
Nothing about reassuring the customers and bean counters.
I bet the anti f-35 crowd cheered when they first saw the tittle. 😀
Gen. Davis Hopes To Keep F-35B Out Of War Zones Right After IOC:
WASHINGTON: As the Marines started doing operational testing of the F-35B aboard the USS Wasp, the head of Marine Aviation is visibly and demonstrably confident the aircraft will meet the date for the plane’s Initial Operational Capabiility.
“To me the F-35 program is right on track where it should be,” Lt. Gen. Jon Davis, the head of Marine aviation, told reporters this morning. But, while the plane would be ready to go, he’d like to forego the usual Marine practice of sending a new weapon into harm’s way as soon as it’s available. “If I had my druthers, I’d rather not deploy it right away, because I’d like to build some momentum in the program and build the instructor base,” Davis told us at a Defense Writers Group breakfast.
Davis made it clear he has no reservations about the plane going into combat. He just wants a chance to ensure there are enough trainers and maintainers to keep the fleet flying. To illustrate how important maintenance and readiness are to deploying the F-35Bs, Davis said after breakfast that Marines are flying an engine module out aboard a V-22 to demonstrate it can done as part of the tests aboard the Wasp. One of what had looked like the biggest obstacles to IOC, the ALIS system used to track and assist maintenance, is working well enough, Davis said. He said F-35Bs were being turned around in about two hours, which he told me after breakfast is about 15 minutes longer than for F-18s.
While the Marine version of the Joint Strike Fighter may hit the summer IOC goal (sometime between July and December) the service faces challenges keeping the rest of its fleet in the air. He didn’t say it, but it seemed pretty clear that Davis worries he may face the same problems with the F-35 as he’s having with the rest of the Marine aviation fleet.
Some 158 of the airplanes — 19 percent — that the Marines fly are not ready for prime time at any given time right now. “It’s way too high. It’s way too high,” Davis said. After several visits to Capitol Hill and a great deal of analysis, he said, “we have a way to get those numbers back.” It will cost $320 million to get those 158 aircraft back, he said. Here’s a rough breakdown for the 158 aircraft: most are CH-53E helicopters; 20 F-18s; 22 Harriers; and the rest are V-22s and H-1s.
A study done on the Harrier fleet concluded he could get them back in the air within 18 months. He’ll have a study in his hands on how to restore acceptable readiness rates for the CH-53E on 8 June. Davis told us he thinks he can restore readiness for 30 to 40 aircraft each year.
Davis identified prop blades, variable frequency generators and IR suppressors as prime causes of much of the V-22’s degraded readiness. He wants his ship-board crews trained so they can repair prop blades. Today, that work gets done ashore.
Meanwhile, Davis said he told Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Joseph Dunford yesterday that he “didn’t see the need to curtail” or amend V-22 flights after the recent crash in Hawaii. The causes of that crash is not yet known and investigations are underway,
Davis said the new armor kits for the V-22s — which Air Force Special Operations Command asked Navai Air to commission — are promising. “I think we should look at that very closely,” he said, noting that he got briefed on the kits just the other day. Of course, the armor adds 800 pounds of weight which reduces range. So the Marines will be looking at this carefully.
Here’s the basic requirement that the F-35B must meet to go to IOC. There must be 10 to 16 planes ready and there must be enough Marines “trained, manned, and equipped to conduct CAS [Close Air Support], Offensive and Defensive Counter Air, Air Interdiction, Assault Support Escort, and Armed Reconnaissance in concert with Marine Air Ground Task Force resources and capabilities.”
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/05/gen-davis-hopes-to-keep-f-35b-out-of-war-zones-right-after-ioc/