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  • in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2120885
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    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2123362
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    What Appears To Be A Fake Chinese J-20 Allegedly Spotted At U.S. Base

    Bizarre Photo Shows What Appears To Be A Model Of An Advanced Chinese Stealth Jet Allegedly at Georgia Airfield.

    File this under, “Too Weird to Believe, Too Bizarre Not to Report”.

    Late Wednesday, December 5, 2018 a photo arrived in our messenger box alleged to be of a Chinese J-20 Mighty Dragon stealth fighter. There are plenty of photos of the unusual Chinese J-20 Mighty Dragon. This photo was different.

    This photo was (claimed to be) taken at an airport in Georgia. In the United States. On Wednesday Dec. 5 in the morning.

    We spent two days messaging the source of the image, who asked to remain anonymous. We also interviewed subject matter experts about the photo. The photo was claimed to have been taken from a public parking area. We looked at the details of the photo including the material used on the building rooftop in the background. The roofing material appears to have a lined texture and is green/blue in color. We cross-referenced this imagery with satellite photos of airports in the Georgia area and found what appears to be an identical match.

    During our interview with the source of the image, who did disclose their real name to us along with other details to establish their identity, we were satisfied that the source is who they say they are. They also established a familiarity with military aircraft technology. The source has asked not to be named in media reports.

    We also used image-based reverse search technology to research the photo. These include the web-based resource

    TinEye.com

    .

    TinEye.com

    reverse-searches the Internet to see if this image existed anywhere else on the web. According to

    TinEye.com

    , the results of a search of 33.3 billion images returned- zero matches. TinEye suggested the image we are seeing has never been published. This strongly suggests the image is not from a Chinese source or taken from elsewhere on the Internet. The image-based reverse search could be compelling evidence for the authenticity of the image itself, if not what is in the image.

    Once we had a match from satellite imagery for the alleged location of the photo we cross-referenced recent video shot at the Savannah-Hilton Head International Airport where the U.S. Air Force and Air Force reserve operates a number of aircraft. We found recent video and compared the two rooftops; the one in the photos provided to us, and the rooftops appearing in the video.

    In both the video and in the photo of the alleged J-20 the height of the rooftop from the ground appear similar. In both the video taken at Savannah-Hilton Head Airport and in the anonymous photo the roofing materials themselves appear similar in color, texture and material. There is a small difference in the appearance of the rooftop that could be the result of the different angle in each photo.

    Based on these comparisons it is reasonable to suggest that something that looks at least somewhat convincingly like a Chinese Chengdu J-20 Mighty Dragon could have been parked in front of a building at the Savannah-Hilton Head International Airport (SAV), home of the Air Dominance Center, at approximately 0830 Hrs. local time zone.

    But why? Questions remain about the photo and its contents. Is the aircraft actually a Chinese J-20? Is it a mock-up? Is it a movie prop? Was the aircraft inserted into the image with photo-editing software?

    By noon yesterday, our source reported the “aircraft” was no longer visible at that location. The area adjacent to the building that may appear in our anonymous photo, does seem to appear in the YouTube videos of the area and the satellite imagery of the U.S. military ramp in front of the Air Dominance Center at Savannah, where F-22 Raptor, F-15 Eagle and T-38 Aircraft are parked. There are buildings that could house something as large as what appears in the photo.

    Based on our inquiries we were unable to obtain significant evidence to support that the image was manipulated or fabricated. It remains possible that the image is false. However, the preponderance of evidence as of this writing offers little to support the hypothesis that the image is fake or manipulated. The image appears authentic. It is possible the image is authentic but the locations are different, each one having coincidentally similar roofing materials. Our source assured us that is not the case, and that the photos are authentic, were taken in Georgia, in the United States on Wednesday, Dec. 5 at Savannah-Hilton Head International Airport (SAV) at approximately 8:30 AM local time.

    We even compared the angle of the sun in the region to the shadows cast on the ground by the claimed “J-20”. The sun rose at 7:11 AM local time at Savannah-Hilton Head Airport yesterday. The weather shown in the photo matches the weather records from Savannah-Hilton Head International Airport yesterday at the time it was claimed to have been taken. The shadows extend in the right compass direction, and, from the little we can see in the photo, for approximately the right distance for about 8:30 AM when the photo was claimed to have been taken. Notice the low-angle glare and reflection on the nose of the object.

    Another possibility is that this object that appears to be a Chengdu J-20 was in the location it was claimed to be, but that it is a mock-up or full-scale training model. Differences between confirmed photos of J-20s and what appears in this photo do show small discrepancies in the shape of the canopy and in the afterburner nozzles on the two jet engines. These differences, along with the overall context of the photo, make it suspicious.

    Another possibility is that the photo was not taken where it is claimed to have been taken. It is extremely difficult to imagine any way a Chinese fighter could somehow leave China, travel to the United States and suddenly materialize on the tarmac at a U.S. military base in plain view during daylight hours. It has happened in the past, with Russian-built Sukhoi aircraft being photographed at an airport in the U.S. only to have a similar aircraft show up over the Nellis test ranges weeks later. But, unlike a legacy Sukhoi, the Chengdu J-20 is a relatively new aircraft not used by any nation other than China.

    Last, but not least, it may also be a prop for Top Gun sequel even though the filming is not happening anywhere near Georgia.

    After extensive internet searching and online inquiries with knowledgeable parties, we were unable to find any other images of the aircraft at this location, any mention of it arriving or departing. It is reasonable to suggest that someone living near the airport would notice such an unusual arrival or departure if it were during the daytime. The aircraft was reported as missing from view “by noon”. It is possible it was towed into one of the hangars seen in the photos and video of the facility.

    Finally, we sent the photos and information to subject matter expert and author Andreas Rupprecht.

    Rupprecht has authored some of the most authoritative books on Chinese military aircraft (including “Flashpoint China” and “Modern Chinese Warplanes”) and written articles for many media outlets.

    This is how Andreas Rupprecht responded to our questions about what appears in the photo:

    “In my honest opinion at second glance, at least in my opinion, it quickly becomes clear that this is just a model: the whole proportions do not fit, the surface looks wavy, just as if some thin material was stretched on or over a frame or at least mated in parts that do not fit correctly – especially since the J-20 has an impressive manufacturing and surface quality. Also, the engines – and the AL-31FN are very characteristic – are completely wrong: they sit too deep and do not have the typical shape of the afterburner nozzles, even more the main landing gear is not right.”

    Rupprecht went on to write, “The clearest indication in my opinion however in addition to the wobbly surface is that always on the J-20 on the ground as soon as the hydraulic pressure is gone, the rudders on the tail “fall” to the inside in that most characteristic angle. And since the cockpit canopy is covered, which would be the case, this simply does not fit.

    So, in essence it would be most interesting to know the true background of this “thing“, who made it for what purpose and why does it stand at this location, but it’s surely not a real J-20.”

    Author, analyst and subject matter expert Andreas Rupprecht is convinced this is not a real J-20. His analysis makes sense since getting a J-20 to the United States without other images appearing would be extremely difficult. Even more significant, why would a new Chinese combat aircraft be in the United States at all?

    This is all we know about the mysterious photo. We attempted to contact Air Force officials at Savannah-Hilton Head late Wednesday but were unable to speak to any source other than civilian aviation services at the airport. If you have additional information about this curious image, please message us.

    There is a small chance this is a remarkable “scoop” of a story, but a much larger chance something else is going on in this photo or with claims of its origin. In any event, this is one of the most bizarre and interesting aviation stories we’ve seen in some time.

    https://theaviationist.com/2018/12/07/w … -u-s-base/

    Seems like Maverick and his F-35C will be going up against J-20 dragon.

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2124478
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    Lulz. The life of an F-35 hater…. F-35 grounded because of a breeze definitely has something to do with its capability or lack of.

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2124986
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    Gun works fine to me.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVVoUZ63tZY

    All it takes is a little research and less saltiness. 😀

    in reply to: Scratch 1 billion dollars of F-22's #2125303
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    Looks like they’ll be flying again.

    “TONIGHT: Our maintenance professionals will do a detailed assessment of F-22s @TeamTyndall before we can say w certainty that damaged aircraft can be repaired/sent back into the skies…Damage was less than we feared and preliminary indications are promising.”

    https://twitter.com/oriana0214/status/1051662847959289856?s=21

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2128183
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    They should use the F-35C for static shots, take off/landing and should use the F-35B for majority
    of flight scenes and weapons release since majority of people watching the movie wont know the
    difference. Btw I strongly condemn this new movie they should leave my fav childhood movie alone.

    in reply to: Su-57 News and Discussion -version_we_lost_count!- #2135031
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    Well said.

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2136362
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    Now that I think about it, why would they stress out the airframe of a brand new block 3F F-35..?

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2136576
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    @3:50 that turned looked brutal so I’m guessing that’s where he pulled 8.9Gs?

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2136700
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    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2150512
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    Of course you have the naysayers

    “Perhaps more worrying is the fact that, despite gathering data on more than 65,000 test points, the F-35 program only met this much delayed SDD flight test schedule by deleting additional test points and accepting potentially flawed data. According to DOT&E, significant numbers of test flights involved aircraft with earlier editions of the critical, but troublesome onboard mission software, among other things, which may not reflect the actual capabilities of the stealth fighters as they exist now.

    Even with the latest iteration of the Block 3F software package, which Lockheed Martin and the Air Force both touted as providing “full combat capability,” there were dozens of known deficiencies remaining as of September 2017, which was when the reporting period for DOT&E’s most recent review ended. Some of those affect weapon accuracy, such as a persistent error that causes the F-35A’s internal 25mm cannon to reportedly still shoot to the right of the pilot’s point of aim.”

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20 … quirements

    “Lockheed Martin does not even expect to have finished installing production-representative software and other modifications on the entire fleet of 23 operational test F-35s until August 2018, according to DOT&E. In addition, thanks to a process known as concurrency, the U.S. military already owns hundreds of F-35s that could also need costly modifications or end up relegated to secondary, non-combat roles. Even then, problems with earlier systems mean that those older aircraft have some of the lowest availability rates. In March 2018, U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant General Steven Rudder, the service’s Deputy Commandant for Aviation, told members of Congress that, on average, less than 40 percent of his F-35Bs with the older Block 2B were mission capable at any one time.”

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2150524
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    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2150637
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    Remember, back then the rumors were that the F-35 was a pig. The first time the opponents showed up [in the training area] they had wing tanks along with a bunch of missiles. I guess they figured that being in a dirty configuration wouldn’t really matter and that they would still easily outmaneuver us. By the end of the week, though, they had dropped their wing tanks, transitioned to a single centerline fuel tank and were still doing everything they could not to get gunned by us. A week later they stripped the jets clean of all external stores, which made the BFM fights interesting, to say the least…

    So what I’m reading is it took a clean F-16 for it to be able to compete with F-35 in a dog fight… amazing.

    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2159554
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    Are these F-35Bs block 3F version?

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2208918
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    Well this sucks for Russia.

    Syrian rebel shelling destroys at least seven Russian planes, report says:

    At least seven Russian planes were destroyed by rebel shelling at the Khmeimim airbase in Syria on 31 December, the Russian daily Kommersant reported late on Wednesday, citing two sources.

    If confirmed, the attack would mark the single biggest loss of military hardware for Russia since it launched airstrikes in Syria in autumn 2015. More than 10 servicemen were wounded in the shelling by “radical Islamists”, the report said.

    -At least four Su-24 bombers, two Su-35S fighters and an An-72 transport plane, as well as an ammunition depot, were destroyed by the shelling, Kommersant said on its website, citing two “military-diplomatic” sources.

    The attack came days after Vladimir Putin made a triumphant visit to Khmeimim, where he met his Syrian counterpart Bashar al-Assad and told the Russian air force detachment at the base: “You are coming back home with victory.”

    Kommersant said the Russian defence ministry had not commented. Reuters was not able to immediately reach the ministry.

    Earlier on Wednesday, the ministry said a Mi-24 helicopter had crash-landed in Syria due to a technical fault and two pilots died.

    Last month, Russia began establishing a permanent presence at Hmeymim and a naval base at Tartous although Putin has ordered a “significant” withdrawal of his military from Syria, declaring its work largely done.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/03/syria-russia-planes-rebel-shelling

    Maybe it’s a good idea not to park them wingtip to wingtip?

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