Never met a Mover I wouldn’t stand a beer for, same for lineys on any VASF. Rocks & Plods OTOH………. 😉
Pull up a sandbag…….we could remanace for hours:D 😀
Not a recovery of epic proportions, but when we fetched the Vampire from Sibson upto Firbeck it was transported on the back of 3 car trailers:D 😀 .
Its a complete guess, Germany circa 1959:confused:
To my mind some a/c museums seem to have lost the plot…..no names,no pack drill but they seem more intent on being a “theme park”. When you walk in you have the feeling the museum is being managed by people whose previous employment was with Eurodisney or Alton Towers. Leave a/c museums to people whose PASSION is planes……..!!!
The best museums are those that concentrate in the prime function of an a/c museum……….showing off a/c. Provide good “story boards” packed with information.
Could go on but will leave it there for the minute………..
Planemike
I agree that some museums have lost the plot, but to keep going you have look beyond those passionate about the museum’s theme.
The purpose of a museum is in its name i.e. to muse over & amuse the visitors mind, thus being a source of inspiration. This day & age with our fast pace of life, technophiles wanting the next gizmo (mostly in the teens – 30 year+ age group) & little spare time is what most museums are up against.
For us entheusiasts, by all means stick to the primary function, but because by population standards we are so few in number it makes it hard for this type of policy to attract those people who’s interest is vauge at best.
Adding a bit of other themes is hardly going to upset the apple cart-perversely, many visitors to Waddington airshow are just as happy going on the funfair as aircraft fantics are standing on the flightline.
Equally perverse there are people out there who are interested in aviation but do not go to aircraft museums ” because they don’t fly & just sit there collecting dust”- I am not saying that to knock them- the thrill of watching an aircraft being put through its paces performing a routine in the environment it was designed for is hard to beat- even I can accept that point of veiw. however to be able to walk upto those same aircraft, touch them,or even get to sit in the cockpit can be just as thrilling.
At the end of the day what you give is what you get- by giving where possible, something for everyone & have them leaving inspired can often get them coming back for more.
To continue in the same vein – ahh! the VC10. Many hours travelling backwards between Germany and Canada, being woken up every hour or so by an Air Steward/ess asking be if I’d like a paper cup of thinly disguised orange squash, and then struggling to get back to sleep while wondering about the state of the duty-free fags in my bergen………..
Cargo door sealed with gaffer-tape, surrounded by worried-looking Toms. Or the trip where I was invited to watch from the jump-seat as we flew into Keflavik. As the crew went through the Top Of Descent checks someone noticed that one of the engines had shut itself down………..
Still, much better than travelling by Herc. Don’t worry, RM, I shall avoid the stereotypical Mover-bashing that occurs elsewhere.:diablo:
No doubt your duty-free fags were flattend by a muppet of a mover jumping up& down on your bergen in order to sqeeze a few more in:diablo: – ok I digress a little from the vein of the thread, but Mover-bashing comes with the terratory. Always remember, we Movers were hated by all & sundry………. until you were on detachment & ready to go home-then we were gods:D .
Ahhh! the VC10- fond & not so fond memories of standing head & torso with my feet astride the baggage loaders conveyer belt, dragging sqaddies Bl***y bergans up between my legs & chucking them down the hold to some newboy mover to stack & get buried under- great in summer, but in winter when the wind was in the wrong direction-(think of brass monkeys & welding tackle- I think you get the picture:D ) even thinking about it brings a tear to my eye.
The more I look at the replies to this thread, the more I feel that the one thing we all have to do as keepers of our heritage is not just to listen to the ideas of committees or members, but to read & learn from those outside.
As some of you have said it pays to have a degree of fluidity to your displays, so that visitors see somthing different next time they come- in practice its is not as easy as it sounds, esspecially for smaller museums with limited resources. With our museum we are addressing this by bringing in outside groups i.e classic & military vehicle, model shows & talks by well known personalities within the aviation world.
I may seem like I am stating the obvious, but there are groups & museums out there who trundle along without realising they can acheive far more & bring itself great dividends at very little cost just by applying some of the principles so far stated.
Take for example, an aviation society has say 3 or 4 aircraft, a couple of sheds and a fair size area of ground to play with, but never advertises- it would be lucky to survive long.
Now take the same society to change its name to include museum, join a body such as BAPC, host a quarterly meeting for the said body & get a local paper to do an article about it opening to the public the following day.
That happened with our museum, on that first public open day we had over 600 visitors.
In a nutshell, what makes a museum is to have one eye on the future & the other on the past, but also to read, listen & digest good advice.
As a member of a museum myself, I have read this thread & see some very good points & advice which all museums should take the effort to digest & take on board.
The UK probably has the highest proportion of aviation related museums (around 70) for the size of the country than anywhere else. This can be both good & bad, the high numbers giving a good choice of venues, set against limited funds to restore & display what we have. The majority of these museums do work hard to maintain & adapt the whole site to encourage visitors.
So to me what makes a museum is a good,well displayed collection, but more importantly:-
The visitors- even Duxford would mean nothing, for all its collection, if Joe public never passed through the gates.
Advertisement:- Its OK to see adverts in Flypast, other magazines, Wrecks & relics & entheusiast’s journals, but again these aren’t aimed at ordinary folk. Although it is useful we tend to be(but also need to be less) reliant on “word of mouth”.
From a museum point of view, it is a constant, uphill struggle to acheive these- exacerbated by red-tape, H&S issues & other regulations which have to be adhered to.
One of my favourites has got to be the D.H. 9 which was recently unveiled at Duxford. Given by the british Govt to a Maharaja just after the first world war,found rotting in an Elephant stable by a tourist(who was fortunately an aviation entheusiast), lost:eek: , re-found, brought back to the UK and restored.:)
B****r me your right, Looking at the paint scheme (light blue/grey with a black fin)& tailplane shadow hints that it may be a former 74 sqn F.4J- though I could be wrong!!!!!!:)
For those trying to find it it is on the northernmost of two large dispersals roughly due north of the runway.
Although I have read this thread before I half expected a group to snap it upif it is available.
If anyone has a forwarding address, knows if it is not rotted beyond being worth preserving then please P.M. me, I understand Hailfaxes where converted into Halton’s at Doncaster so if it is a viable project please let me know.
There is some loverly photo’s but I think you might have to split it into ground based & airbourne photo’s- just to give those of us who don’tformate with Spitfires a chance.:)
Great news… Do you have any photos of her?
I have 1 at the moment,but for the life of me I can’t get it to attach to the thread. I am going to Aeroventure this week so I will try again at the weekend. In the meantime here is the project’s web address http://www.project677.co.uk
Nice to see the good feedback, I will pass it on when I go this weekend. In the meantime there is an open cockpit day March 30th plus Trevor (” Mr Airfix”) Snowden makes a welcome return May 10th.
IMHO The F-84 in Randers is not worth the bother. It has been used (as you say) for fire and rescue training.
Unless you are looking for just an airframe display (maybe a gateguard), its really too much work, considering that the F-84 is not rare.
I’m have recently become a member of a Danish aviation museum, and will hopefully begin working with them soon. They are well connected with the Danish air force and the Danish arms collection museum. I will ask around to see whats stored around the country.
They might want to know a few things before even looking at allocating a stored aircraft. Would you mind answering these questions, and maybe fill in any other information you find important to mention. You can do so in a PM if you like.
What would be your future plans for such an F-84?
What museum are you affiliated with?
While you are having a look can you find out if there are any single seat meteors going spare please?:)