February 2004? Oh no, we should be so lucky. Current publishing date is no less than June 2005.
FiltonFlyer, nice page you got. Imanuel Tzur is a very important figure in the history of the Israeli Air Force. Chief Pilot of “Aviron”, the seed from the IDF/AF emerged.
The link I provided does work but Geocities have an annoying habit of limiting traffic every once in a while, just wait a while and try again.
Hyperwarp’s photos of the F-15I with the red bombs were probably taken at the Waddington Airshow in mid 2001. That occasion produced my favorite F-15I picture of all.
Re: Re: Re: IDF F-15s
Originally posted by ELP
Are the engines running on those two F-15s in the background? See the intake ramps? They are usually put to the full down position like that as part of the engine run up procedure.
I wouldn’t be surprised. The pictures are from http://www.phlyers.de/pictures/konya2003/index.html , taken during Anatolian Eagle 2003. There’s certainly a lot of activity around the aircraft and engines are running on at least one other picture.

The second aircraft on the Suede cover is not a Lightning, it’s a Hunter.
Re: IDF F-15s
Originally posted by troung
(Plus this gives me an excuse to post IDF/AF F-15 pics 😀 )
I’d like to think we live in a world where we don’t need an excuse to post pics of IDF/AF F-15s …

Great, thanks.
From the same conflict and fitting the current Spitfire mood of the forum, Royal Egyptian Air Force Spitfire striking Tel Aviv, May 15 1948 :
Re: Israel’s Beaufighters
Thanks for all the info Steve, a great deal is new to me, but allow me to make a few corrections and additions :
Originally posted by SteveYoung
A Jewish former RAF pilot (name lost within my missing info) somehow managed to gather together five surplus Beaufighter TFX’s (RAF serials RD135, RD448, RD427, LZ185, and one unknown).
Six actually, the above four and NT929 & NV306, the latter scrapped while still in the UK.
The five Beaus were gathered together at Haddenham airfield, Oxfordshire, in July 1948, and permission was sought, and granted, for the five to fly north to Scotland for use in a film about the exploits of Coastal Command Beaufighters during the second world war. The film, of course, was a red herring, and after take off, during which the unknown-serialled Beau was lost, the fours surviving Beaufighters made their way to Israel.
NT929 crashed on July 28 1948, killing its pilot, Mitchell Campbell.
Around 1999, Beaufighter remains were discovered on the beach at Asdot, and were recovered for the IAF Museum, where they are now (at least partially) displayed.
November 1994, near Ashdod. A photo of the remains is available here
I understand that the parts located included both engines, the outer wings, and the empennage, which still had the number ‘48’ painted on the port side, thereby confirming the aircraft as RD448 / D-170, which apparently was lost during an attack on an Iraqi / Sudanese police station during Operation Yoav in October 1948.
Not Iraqi/Sudanese – Iraq-Suidan, the name of a former British police station occupied by Egyptian troops, today known as Fort Yoav. D-170 was lost on October 20 1948.
Thanks for the info again, I would very glad to see any more you may have, especially anything concerning the people involved in acquisition in Britain. More about IDF/AF Beaufighters, including the downing of an Egyptian Hawker Fury, at http://www.geocities.com/skythe_99/bomber1.htm#Beau .
Originally posted by GoldenDragon
If planes somehow have the personna of the regimes they served under, painting a ME109 this way would be painful to its Nazi soul.
Ah yes, one of my personal favorites. Utter crap, of course, but you’ve got to appreciate the irony.
Luckily, Red Flag is not the only exercise in which IDF/AF aircraft participated this year. So, we may not get to see the photos from Portugal, but you can find some from Turkey’s Anatolian Eagle 2003 here


Originally posted by PILOTGHT
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2848/mirage.htm
A glorious aircraft. I must admit, though, that the one of the last sentences in that article later turned out to be incorrect. The aircraft painted as 59 wasn’t actually the original 59. The real one only returned from Argentina a few months ago and can now be found in the Hatzerim museum still in its Argentinian livery.
That would be 386, you can find info on the aircraft that participated at http://www.tailslides.co.uk/Red Flag/Red Flag 03-04.htm . So, where were your photos taken?
Photo from F-16.net, by Frank van Hemert. We’ve seen it here before, this one was taken at Red Flag.
If if looks anything like this, I’d love top see it (actually, I wouldn’t mind having a look even if its isn’t). If it’s indeed a 105 bird, then it’s a D.
Originally posted by Mark12
An interesting black and white shot on the site you mention – the one without the 57 applied. I have seen it before but do you have any idea of a date for this shot?
Sorry no, but it must be before 1966 because that’s the earliest dated photo I found, and the aircraft already had the 57.
Originally posted by Mark12
It has always been a puzzle to me that we have never seen a shot of 20-57 in the pre black livery.
There aren’t that many photos of IDF/AF Spitfires in service as it is. Some nice ones here, though none of 57.
Reading up on 57, apparently the black livery was adopted from the personal mount of Frank Curry, wing commander at RAF Faid (Egypt) during WWII. Anyone got a photo of that aircraft?
Also, does someone have photos of TE554 during RAF or Czech service?
and the photo, of course …