RE: Increased security at London Heathrow.

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 13-02-03 AT 11:39 PM (GMT)]> I guess the old Kennedy motto “We have nothing to fear but fear
> itself” is finally said goodbye.

Kennedy ???
Roosevelt, 1933.

> I’m just not sure if it’s a terrorist threat, or the ‘democratic’
> governments i have to be afraid of.

That’s a very valid discussion point. Considering recent busts throughout Europe, you may soon find that this is not really true in practice.

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RE: Ohh boy

Let me explain something to you, Geforce:

As your article pointed out, the Sabra and Shatila massacres took place in September 1982 and were carried out by the Lebanese Falanges (Christian Arabs) against Palestinian refugees. The Kahn Commission, headed by Supreme Court justice Kahn, set up by the Israeli parliament to investigate the matter, revealed that the events took place without any foreknowledge by any Israeli official. It therefore found Sharon and others indirectly responsible for the massacres, by allowing the Falanges to enter the camps, failing to comprehend what was about to take place. All involved were forced to resign.

I do not give a damn about Ariel Sharon, I did not even vote for him. But when you say “Sharon should be tried for War Crimes” that is an insult not to Sharon but to all Israelis. Under all legal definitions the Kahn Commission is a legal judicial process. Therefore when you say “Sharon should be tried for war crimes” what you’re actually saying is : “I piss on Israel’s judicial system and I piss on Israel’s sovereignty.” That should begin to give you a clue what I think of your mini-me nation. It actually has the arrogance so say such a thing, it actually dares to claim moral ground above Israel. Considering Belgium’s Congo record, that high ground exists only in the self-indulged and self-congratulatory Belgian mind. Tell me Geforce, how many people were tried for offences in the Congo?

Syria never set up any commission to investigate the Hama massacre. 20,000 people died by Syrian army shelling in early 1982, only months before Sabra and Shatilla. Jordan never investigate “Black September” 1969 in which 20,000 Palestinians were killed. Only in Israel did 400,000 people take to the streets of Tel Aviv to protest the massacres (biggest protest in Israel’s history, much larger than any Arab protest against the event) and only Israel set up a commission to investigate the killing of about 1000 people by a Lebanese Christian faction. And still, only Israeli leaders are asked to pay for their supposed offences, only democratic Israel’s due process of the law is brushed aside. What hypocrisy. But then, I’ve come to expect nothing more from Europe.

Don’t tell me, you probably think Belgium is doing us some kind of favour, bringing justice to the region. Don’t make me laugh. By your actions you delegitimize our elected government, providing ammunition for those who question our very existance. The France-German minion nation has done it again – now, how about showing the same resolve tracking done arsonists torching synagogues?

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RE: war in Irak and the Franco/German resistance

> Certainly if faced with what was basically a war of survival for
> them I don’t see why they wouldn’t use nuclear weapons to defend
> themselves. The only previous use of Nuclear weapons in war was to
> reduce casualties. If that is acceptable then surely national
> survival must also be an acceptable reason.

The question is not whether Israel would have used nukes to survive, it certainly would have. What is unknown is the extent of the danger perceived by Israel’s top brass and the time and whether nukes were actually deemed necessary. On the one hand you’ve got comment supposedly made by certain people of the imminent fall of the state, and on the other is the fact that Israel eventually pulled through without the need for the bomb.

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RE: war in Irak and the Franco/German resistance

Such claims have been made, but they are false. check out what HRW had to say about the subject :
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/iraqanfal/ANFAL1.htm#P41_8395 :

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Books on the Iran-Iraq War have routinely echoed the unsubstantiated report that both sides had used chemical weapons in Halabja. This notion originated in a study for the U.S. Army War College: Stephen C. Pelletiere, Douglas V. Johnson II and Leif R. Rosenberger, Iraqi Power and U.S. Security in the Middle East (Carlisle Barracks, PA: Strategic Studies Institute, U.S. Army War College, 1990). It is repeated in a later book by Pelletiere, a former U.S. intelligence officer, The Iran-Iraq War: Chaos in a Vacuum (New York: Praeger, 1992). This strongly pro-Iraqi work comments, “On May 23 (sic), in fighting over the town, gas was used by both sides. As a result scores (sic) of Iraqi Kurdish civilians were killed. It is now fairly certain that Iranian gas killed the Kurds.” (pp. 136-137)

The supposed factual basis for this conclusion is that the Halabja victims had blue lips, characteristic of the effects of cyanide gas–which Iraq was not believed to possess. Cyanide gas, a metabolic poison, would indeed produce blue lips, but they are far from being a specific indicator of its use. Nerve agents, which are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors that cause respiratory paralysis, would also turn victims’ lips blue.

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RE: SCREW NATO — Old Europe responds

Israel is positively the last nation in the world the US will incorporate into the coalition, and it will certainly not use Israel’s airbases. The US does not want to be seen as fighting Israel’s wars, or by serving Israeli interests by attacking an Arab nation. It needs Arab support, if not popular then at least the governments, and that means not incorporating Israel into the coalition.

On the other hand, there are currently several hundred American soldiers in Israel, helping defend it against possible Scud attacks. Again, this aid is ultimately aimed at preventing Israel from responding to a possible Iraqi attack, in order to preserve any coalition incorporating various Arab regimes.

attached: photos from the February 4 launch of a Patriot missile during “Juniper Cobra”, a joint US-Israel anti-Scud exercise.

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RE: war in Irak and the Franco/German resistance

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 11-02-03 AT 11:02 AM (GMT)]Two points:

The assumption that the USA will always come to Israel’s aid is not necessarily true. It may seem like the case today, but it was not always like this (1948, 1956, 1967) and it will not necessarily be so in the future. That is why Israel must first and foremost depend on itself – looking beyond the “now” is quite a good idea.

Also, Troy asked “whether Israel really needs WMD due to its strategic relationship with the US”. The question has it the wrong way around – Israel developed nukes exactly because there was a time when no such relationship existed. Most serious authors on the subject point out that Israel turned to developing nukes after JFK refused Ben-Gurion’s request for an official defence treaty between the two nations. Furthermore, Israel’s strategic relationship may very well exist due to the existance of an Israeli nuclear arsenal: The provision of military aid was designed, among other things, to prevent Israel from relying on unconventional weapons for its defence, providing it with a sophisticated yet conventional arsenal instead. Looking at it this way, you can also get an added measure of why the US aided Israel during the 1973 war when it didn’t do so before – because Israel wasn’t perceived to be nuclear before.

> a little bit of history that may have slipped ur mind is that
> isreal seriously considered using nukes when it felt it was loosing
> aginst the arabs.

No one really knows for sure. Israel’s leaders at the time are now dead and it will decades before a defenitive answer is available.

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RE: Is war with Iraq neccesary?

Osama isn’t a Palestinian, he’s Saudi.

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RE: New Site on Pakistan Air Force

A nice site indeed, but it is a little mistaken regarding a Six Day War kill (June 5, over Mafraq, Jordan). Hanania Bole’ was not a captain, he was a 2nd lieutenant fresh out of the academy and was promoted to 1st lieutenant only following his death. They also fail to mention his unit which was the 116th “Flying Wing” squadron.

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