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  • in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2220746
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    It’s no secret. You can understand yourself πŸ™‚

    http://yadi.sk/d/Z15bUoUlNwr9a

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2220897
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    Nice. What wingspan did you choose? What are the results when you do the same analysis with the official F-22 LM or USAF frontal view?

    T-50 wingspan 13.95 m, F-22 front view 9.25 ΠΌ2.

    Without knowing the internal layout of the aircraft, estimating “Empty weight” by comparing external dimensions is very rough at best. Your estimate about F-15 is off by 4 tons, for example. If you run same esimates for MiG-25, it would be off too.

    I agree! Fighter F-15 does not fit in the statistics, the reason I do not understand.
    Needless to say, the density of steel aircraft layout will differ from aircraft duralumin or titanium 290 kg/m3 vs 250 kg/m3

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2221111
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    Have you subtracted the air intake holes from the frontal area ?

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    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2221251
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    Now only one πŸ™‚
    Empty weight PAK FA 15500 kg – 17000 kg

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    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2221264
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    in reply to: Heads up! #2221891
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    With all that is happening in the Ukraine, what a marvelous way to get the Russians on their toes and worrying…;o)

    Russian are not afraid of a meteorite in Chelyabinsk … :Π 

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2226918
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    this is the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA the indian 2 seat version – looks pretty awesome!

    http://paralay.com/fgfa/52_01.png

    in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2031434
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    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread part 13 #2250766
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    Calculation of the Su- 33 taking off with a takeoff weight of 32,000 kg with the first / second starting position of aircraft carrier ” Kuznetsov” .
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    Taking off from the springboard is divided into four sections :

    horizontal portion – 60 meters ( positions 1 and 2 ), 150 meters (position 3 )
    trampoline – 45 m (radius ~ 160 meters springboard )
    ballistic section 95 – 100 meters,
    shallow Planning 350 – 610 meters.
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    Acceleration – 105 meters , acceleration – 4 m / s.kv , Furious, 2 x 12500 kg = 25000 kg . Resistance average ~ 6250 kg .
    Takeoff time : t = kv.koren (2s / a) = kv.koren (2 * 105/4) = 7.25 sec.
    Speed ​​at the moment of separation : Vt = Vo + at = 0 + 4 * 7.25 = 29 m / s (104 km / h)
    Impulse 32 m * 29 m / s = 928 m * m / s
    After separation from the jump on the plane , the following forces , positive ( upward ) thrust of the engines of the Russian Federation * sin 14 Β° = 6 m
    lift wing Cv = 1.1 ( 10% more than the Su-27 ), Y = 3.58 m (speed of 29 m / s)
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    Negative force : 32 ton weight of the aircraft ,
    Negative point: 32 – (6 + 3.58) = 22.42 m / sec .
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    928 m * m / s: 22.42 m / s = 41.39 meters – the distance to the top of the hill.
    Height top of the ” hills” : 22.2 m + (sin 14 degrees. * 41.39 m) = 32.2 meters above sea level .
    The time of arrival in the top point ” slides ” ( distance 105 + 41.4 = 146.4 m) – 8.55 sec. , Speed ​​- 34.22 m / s (123 km / h).
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    Takeoff is considered complete when Y = m vzl . , Ie the lift of the wing will be 32,000 kg , it will happen at a speed 86.6 m / s (312 km / h) .
    Accordingly, ” a shallow planning” will be: 21.65 sec (all off ) – 8.55 seconds (slide ) = 13.1 sec. Full -off distance – 937 meters, planning – 791 meters.
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    Settlement area ” planning.”
    Mid- size: 60 ( deck) + 45 ( jump ) + 41.39 (slide ) + 396 m = 540 m
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    On the hill , we have the following “positive” force :
    Vertical traction motors : pf * sin 14 Β° = 6 m
    Lifting force of the wing (speed 43.3 m / s , Su = 1.1) – 8 tons.
    ” Negative ” force – aircraft weight – 32 tons
    32 – 6 – 8 = 18 m / sec . Acceleration reduction 32 t / 14 t = 2.29 m / s .
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    In the middle area of planning:
    Vertical traction motors – 6 tons
    Lifting force of the wing ( distance 540 m , while 16.4 sec. , Speed ​​69.5 m / s ) – 20,589 tons.
    ” Negative ” force – aircraft weight – 32 tons , resistance Cx = 0.26 , X = 4866 kg.
    a = (9.81 (P * cos a – X – F)) / G = (9.81 ( 25000 * cos 14 Β° – 4866 kg )) / 32000 = 5.94 m / s m.
    The time of flight from the slides to the middle portion of planning 11.5 sec, speed – 69 m / s . The time of flight planning area – 13.5 sec. Acceleration reduction 32 t / (20,589 + 6) = -1.2 m / s .
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    Su-33 being at the height of ” hills” ( 32.2 m) begins to lose altitude at an average rate of 1.2 m / s .
    During flight ” planning area “, he will lose 13.5 * 1.2 = 16.2 meters. That is, the rise will be completed at a height of 32.2 – 16.2 = 16 meters above sea level .
    Based on what I venture to suggest that the Su- 33 with a maximum takeoff weight of 32 tons can surely take off from the first and second starting position at a rate headwind at least 5 – 10 m / s .
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    That is, the calculation shows that the afterburner Su-33 can fly with a maximum takeoff weight of the first and second starting position, similar can be said about the Su- 33KUB , MiG-29 and Yak -44 even . In peacetime carried off with the third starting position, apparently to compensate for the failure of one engine . At the same time the rise of the Su- 33 at maximum capacity of the engines on the basis of the calculation is not possible , even in the upper normal exit point slides will not compensate for a serious loss of height in the area of planning.

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    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread part 13 #2250890
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    http://translate.google.com/ works wonders! πŸ˜‰

    Bottom of the page there is information and calculation of take-off from the springboard

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fparalay.com%2Fsu33.html

    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread part 13 #2250904
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    Π‘Ρƒ-27К с Π½Π΅ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π½ΠΎΠΉ Π·Π°ΠΏΡ€Π°Π²ΠΊΠΎΠΉ Ρ‚ΠΎΠΏΠ»ΠΈΠ²Π½Ρ‹Ρ… Π±Π°ΠΊΠΎΠ², Π² зависимости ΠΎΡ‚ количСства ΠΏΠΎΠ΄Π²Π΅ΡˆΠ΅Π½Π½Ρ‹Ρ… Ρ€Π°ΠΊΠ΅Ρ‚ “Π²ΠΎΠ·Π΄ΡƒΡ…-Π²ΠΎΠ·Π΄ΡƒΡ…”, Π²Π°Ρ€ΡŒΠΈΡ€ΠΎΠ²Π°Π»Π°ΡΡŒ ΠΎΡ‚ 25 Π΄ΠΎ 28 Ρ‚. ΠΏΡ€ΠΈ этом ΠΎΠ½ ΠΈΠΌΠ΅Π» ΡΡ‚Π°Ρ€Ρ‚ΠΎΠ²ΡƒΡŽ Ρ‚ΡΠ³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠΎΡ€ΡƒΠΆΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŒ 0.9-1.0 ΠΈ ΠΌΠΎΠ³ Π²Π·Π»Π΅Ρ‚Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ с 1-ΠΉ ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ 2-ΠΉ стартовых ΠΏΠΎΠ·ΠΈΡ†ΠΈΠΉ Π½Π° ΠΏΠ°Π»ΡƒΠ±Π΅ корабля (дистанция Ρ€Π°Π·Π±Π΅Π³Π° 105 ΠΌ). Π‘ ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π½ΠΎΠΉ Π·Π°ΠΏΡ€Π°Π²ΠΊΠΎΠΉ Ρ‚ΠΎΠΏΠ»ΠΈΠ²Π½Ρ‹Ρ… Π±Π°ΠΊΠΎΠ² ΠΈ ΠΌΠ°ΠΊΡΠΈΠΌΠ°Π»ΡŒΠ½Ρ‹ΠΌ Π±ΠΎΠ΅ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΏΠ»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚ΠΎΠΌ Ρ€Π°ΠΊΠ΅Ρ‚ “Π²ΠΎΠ·Π΄ΡƒΡ…-Π²ΠΎΠ·Π΄ΡƒΡ…” взлСтная масса самолСта ΡƒΠ²Π΅Π»ΠΈΡ‡ΠΈΠ²Π°Π»Π°ΡΡŒ Π΄ΠΎ 32 Ρ‚, Π° Ρ‚ΡΠ³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠΎΡ€ΡƒΠΆΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŒ ΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡŒΡˆΠ°Π»Π°ΡΡŒ Π΄ΠΎ 0,8. Π’ этом случаС Π²Π·Π»Ρ‘Π΅Ρ‚ самолСта Π΄ΠΎΠ»ΠΆΠ΅Π½ Π±Ρ‹Π» ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠΈΠ·Π²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒΡΡ с 3-ΠΉ стартовой ΠΏΠΎΠ·ΠΈΡ†ΠΈΠΈ (дистанция Ρ€Π°Π·Π±Π΅Π³Π° 195 ΠΌ). ΠžΡ‚ΡΡŽΠ΄Π° ΠΆΠ΅ самолСт ΠΌΠΎΠ³ ΡΡ‚Π°Ρ€Ρ‚ΠΎΠ²Π°Ρ‚ΡŒ ΠΈ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈ максимальной Π·Π°Π³Ρ€ΡƒΠ·ΠΊΠ΅ Π΅Π³ΠΎ Π±ΠΎΠΌΠ±Π°ΠΌΠΈ ΠΈ нСуправляСмыми Ρ€Π°ΠΊΠ΅Ρ‚Π°ΠΌΠΈ.

    НСсмотря Π½Π° сущСствСнноС ΡƒΠ²Π΅Π»ΠΈΡ‡Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ посадочной массы, ΠΏΠΎ ΡΡ€Π°Π²Π½Π΅Π½ΠΈΡŽ с сСрийным Π‘Ρƒ-27, Π²Π²Π΅Π΄Π΅Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π½ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΠΉ ΠΌΠ΅Ρ…Π°Π½ΠΈΠ·Π°Ρ†ΠΈΠΈ ΠΊΡ€Ρ‹Π»Π° ΠΈ ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€Π΅Π΄Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ Π³ΠΎΡ€ΠΈΠ·ΠΎΠ½Ρ‚Π°Π»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ опСрСния ΠΏΠΎΠ·Π²ΠΎΠ»ΠΈΠ»ΠΎ ΡƒΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡŒΡˆΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ ΡΠΊΠΎΡ€ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŒ Π·Π°Ρ…ΠΎΠ΄Π° Π½Π° посадку ΠΊΠΎΡ€Π°Π±Π΅Π»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ истрСбитСля Π΄ΠΎ 240 ΠΊΠΌ/Ρ‡ (Π‘Ρƒ-27 ΠΎΠ±Ρ‹Ρ‡Π½ΠΎ Π·Π°Ρ…ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡ‚ Π½Π° посадку со ΡΠΊΠΎΡ€ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŒΡŽ ΠΎΠΊΠΎΠ»ΠΎ 270 ΠΊΠΌ/Ρ‡ ΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ»ΡŒΠΊΠΎ Π² процСссС выравнивания гасит Π΅Π΅ Π΄ΠΎ 225-240 ΠΊΠΌ/Ρ‡, Π² зависимости ΠΎΡ‚ посадочной массы). ΠŸΡ€ΠΈ этом Π΄Π»ΠΈΠ½Π° ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π΅Π³Π° Π‘Ρƒ-27К ΠΏΠΎ ΠΏΠ°Π»ΡƒΠ±Π΅ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅Π½ΠΈΠΈ Π΅Π³ΠΎ Π°ΡΡ€ΠΎΡ„ΠΈΠ½ΠΈΡˆΠ΅Ρ€ΠΎΠΌ Π΄ΠΎΠ»ΠΆΠ½Π° Π±Ρ‹Π»Π° ΡΠΎΡΡ‚Π°Π²ΠΈΡ‚ΡŒ всСго 90 ΠΌ.

    Π›Π΅Ρ‚Π½ΠΎ-тСхничСскиС характСристики обСспСчивали Π‘Ρƒ-27К ΠΏΠ°Ρ€ΠΈΡ‚Π΅Ρ‚ с самыми соврСмСнными истрСбитСлями вСроятного ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΡ‚ΠΈΠ²Π½ΠΈΠΊΠ°, Π° ΠΏΠΎ ΠΌΠ°Π½Π΅Π²Ρ€Π΅Π½Π½Ρ‹ΠΌ возмоТностям (ΡƒΠ³Π»ΠΎΠ²Ρ‹Π΅ скорости Π²ΠΈΡ€Π°ΠΆΠ°, ΡΠΊΠΎΡ€ΠΎΠΏΠΎΠ΄ΡŠΠ΅ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΡΡ‚ΡŒ ΠΈ Ρ‚.ΠΏ.) – ΠΎΠ½ Π·Π½Π°Ρ‡ΠΈΡ‚Π΅Π»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎ прСвосходил ΠΈΡ…. Π—Π½Π°Ρ‡ΠΈΡ‚Π΅Π»ΡŒΠ½Ρ‹ΠΉ Π²Π½ΡƒΡ‚Ρ€Π΅Π½Π½ΠΈΠΉ запас Ρ‚ΠΎΠΏΠ»ΠΈΠ²Π° ΠΈ Π½Π°Π»ΠΈΡ‡ΠΈΠ΅ систСмы Π΄ΠΎΠ·Π°ΠΏΡ€Π°Π²ΠΊΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΠΏΠ»ΠΈΠ²ΠΎΠΌ Π² ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π΅Ρ‚Π΅ обСспСчивали Π‘Ρƒ-27К Π΄Π»ΠΈΡ‚Π΅Π»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎΠ΅ ΠΏΠ°Ρ‚Ρ€ΡƒΠ»ΠΈΡ€ΠΎΠ²Π°Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π² Π½Π΅Π±Π΅ Π½Π°Π΄ ΠΎΠΊΠ΅Π°Π½ΠΎΠΌ Π² Ρ€Π°ΠΉΠΎΠ½Π΅ нахоТдСния ΠΊΠΎΡ€Π°Π±Π΅Π»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΎΡ€Π΄Π΅Ρ€Π°, возглавляСмого авианСсущим крСйсСром. ВрСмя барраТирования истрСбитСля, Π²ΠΎΠΎΡ€ΡƒΠΆΠ΅Π½Π½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ двумя Ρ€Π°ΠΊΠ΅Ρ‚Π°ΠΌΠΈ срСднСй Π΄Π°Π»ΡŒΠ½ΠΎΡΡ‚ΠΈ Π -27Π­ ΠΈ двумя Ρ€Π°ΠΊΠ΅Ρ‚Π°ΠΌΠΈ Π±Π»ΠΈΠΆΠ½Π΅Π³ΠΎ боя Π -73 Π½Π° высотС 11 ΠΊΠΌ ΠΈ ΡƒΠ΄Π°Π»Π΅Π½ΠΈΠΈ 250 ΠΊΠΌ ΠΎΡ‚ ВАКР Π΄Π°ΠΆΠ΅ Π±Π΅Π· провСдСния Π΄ΠΎΠ·Π°ΠΏΡ€Π°Π²ΠΊΠΈ Π² Π²ΠΎΠ·Π΄ΡƒΡ…Π΅ достигало 2 Ρ‡.

    Пока Π² ΠžΠšΠ‘ шло ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ΅ΠΊΡ‚ΠΈΡ€ΠΎΠ²Π°Π½ΠΈΠ΅ Π‘Ρƒ-27К ΠΈ вСлась постройка Π΅Π³ΠΎ ΠΎΠΏΡ‹Ρ‚Π½Ρ‹Ρ… экзСмпляров, Π½Π° комплСксС “Нитка” начался Π½ΠΎΠ²Ρ‹ΠΉ этап испытаний. Π’ 1984 Π³. для этого Π±Ρ‹Π» ΠΏΠΎΠ΄Π³ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎΠ²Π»Π΅Π½ ΠΎΠΏΡ‹Ρ‚Π½Ρ‹ΠΉ самолСт TI0-25 – ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ ΠΈΠ· ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€Π²Ρ‹Ρ… сСрийных Π‘Ρƒ-27 (сСрийный Si 06-03). Π­Ρ‚Π° машина ΠΏΠΎΠ»ΡƒΡ‡ΠΈΠ»Π° усилСнноС шасси, выпускаСмый посадочный Π³Π°ΠΊ ΠΈ Ρ„Π»Π°ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€ΠΎΠ½Ρ‹ ΡƒΠ²Π΅Π»ΠΈΡ‡Π΅Π½Π½ΠΎΠΉ ΠΏΠ»ΠΎΡ‰Π°Π΄ΠΈ. На Π½Π΅ΠΉ Π±Ρ‹Π» Ρ‚Π°ΠΊΠΆΠ΅ ΠΈΠ·ΠΌΠ΅Π½Π΅Π½ ΡƒΠ³ΠΎΠ» Π½Π°ΠΊΠ»ΠΎΠ½Π° спинки ΠΊΠ°Ρ‚Π°ΠΏΡƒΠ»ΡŒΡ‚Π½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ крСсла ΠΈ прСдусмотрСна установка систСмы Π΄ΠΎΠ·Π°ΠΏΡ€Π°Π²ΠΊΠΈ Ρ‚ΠΎΠΏΠ»ΠΈΠ²ΠΎΠΌ Π² ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π΅Ρ‚Π΅. Π’ августС 1984 Π³. Π½Π° TI0-25 Π±Ρ‹Π»ΠΈ Π²Ρ‹ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π½Π΅Π½Ρ‹ ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€Π²Ρ‹Π΅ Ρ€ΡƒΠ»Π΅ΠΆΠΊΠΈ Π½Π° Π°ΡΡ€ΠΎΡ„ΠΈΠ½ΠΈΡˆΠ΅Ρ€Π΅ ΠΈ посадки Π±Π΅Π· выравнивания с ΡƒΡ…ΠΎΠ΄ΠΎΠΌ Π½Π° Π²Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€ΠΎΠΉ ΠΊΡ€ΡƒΠ³. I сСнтября Π’.Π“.ΠŸΡƒΠ³Π°Ρ‡Π΅Π² Π²ΠΏΠ΅Ρ€Π²Ρ‹Π΅ Π²Ρ‹ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π½ΠΈΠ» посадку Π½Π° Π’10-25 Π½Π° Π±Π»ΠΎΠΊ Π°ΡΡ€ΠΎΡ„ΠΈΠ½ΠΈΡˆΠ΅Ρ€Π° комплСкса β€œΠΠΈΡ‚ΠΊΠ°β€, Π² Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‚ ΠΆΠ΅ дСнь Π°Π½Π°Π»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΡ‡Π½ΡƒΡŽ посадку ΡΠΎΠ²Π΅Ρ€ΡˆΠΈΠ» ΠΈ Н.Π€.Π‘Π°Π΄ΠΎΠ²Π½ΠΈΠΊΠΎΠ². Π’Π΅Π΄ΡƒΡ‰ΠΈΠΌ ΠΈΠ½ΠΆΠ΅Π½Π΅Ρ€ΠΎΠΌ ΠΏΠΎ испытаниям Π’10-25 Π±Ρ‹Π»

    Su-27K with incomplete filling of fuel tanks, depending on the amount of suspended missiles ” air” , ranged from 25 to 28 tons while he was starting thrust 0.9-1.0 and could take off from the 1st or 2nd starting position on the deck of the ship ( the takeoff distance of 105 m ) . With full fuel tanks and maximum ammunition missiles ” air” take-off weight increased to 32 tons, and thrust was reduced to 0.8. In this case vzleet aircraft had to be made with the third starting position ( takeoff distance of 195 m ) . Hence , the aircraft could start and the maximum load it with bombs and rockets .

    Despite a significant increase in landing weight , compared with the Su -27 , the introduction of a new wing mechanization and canards possible to reduce the approach speed shipborne fighter up to 240 km / h (Su- 27, usually landing with a speed of 270 km / h and only it absorbs the leveling process to 225-240 km / h , depending on the weight of the seat ) . In this case the mean free path of the Su- 27K on the deck when braking its arresting gear was to be only 90 m

    Performance specifications provided Su-27K par with the most modern fighters potential enemy , and by maneuvering capabilities (angular speed bend , climb , etc.) – it is much superior to them . Significant internal fuel capacity and the availability of in-flight refueling provided Su-27K long patrols in the sky over the ocean in the area of finding ship orders , led by the aircraft carrier . Time loitering fighter armed with two medium-range missiles R -27E missiles and two melee P -73 at an altitude of 11 km and a distance of 250 km from the aircraft carrier even without refueling reached 2 hours

    While in the bureau went designing the Su-27K and its building was carried out prototypes for complex ” Thread ” began a new phase of testing . In 1984 he was prepared for this prototype TI0- 25 – one of the first production Su -27 (serial Si 06-03). This machine was strengthened landing gear , arrestor hook and produced flaperons larger area . It was also changed back angle ejection seat and the setting of the system in-flight refueling . In August 1984, TI0- 25 were performed on the first aerobatsplanes taxiing and landing without alignment with the departure of the second round. I first performed in September V.G.Pugachev landing at T10 -25 arresting gear unit complex ” thread” , on the same day and made ​​a similar landing N.F.Sadovnikov . Lead engineer testing T10- 25 was…

    in reply to: MiG-23MS and Mirage III/5 #2256090
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    I was so comfortable. Significant difference will not : О

    in reply to: MiG-23MS and Mirage III/5 #2256683
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    In combat, fighters “Mirage-3 ‘and MiG-21SMT – equal. Both aircraft are not able to conduct long-range air combat.
    In the melee, the MiG-23 is better by 18%.

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    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread part 13 #2266028
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    This lamp lighting rod refueling

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    in reply to: J-20 Thread 8 #2266997
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    Possible. Later, when there will be good pictures πŸ™‚

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