From Terry Spencer’s logbook. Drawn by Tom Slack to commemorate the tipping of the V-1 with the Spit XII.

The first to do it was F/O “Junior” Collier of 91 Squadron in a Spitfire XIV after running out of ammo.
Terry Spencer of 41 Squadron did it in a Spitfire XII which was considered a bit of an accomplishment with a clipped wing Spit.
F/O “Dixie” Deans of 616 did it with a Meteor.
There was a Polish pilot, whose name escapes me who tipped two with his Mustang III. I remember seeing a photo of him holding the dented wingtip of his 51.
Guess we’ve come up with 9 instances in this thread so far 🙂
I hate to admit it, but my first thought when reading the thread title, was that there would have been a lot more room in Germany 🙂
My have stopped Operation Barbarossa from happening.
Hope these help a bit
This is what I have in my stuff from the 91 Squadron Spit XII era. The first one is also in Peter Hall’s book. I imagine he got a copy from a former Squadron pilot like I did.
April 43 just prior to the changeover to the XII. Kynaston is behind S/L Ray Harries left shoulder.
A nice shot taken I believe in October 43 about the same time as the Tangmere Wing group photo as there are similar photos of Ray Harries and “Pinky” Glenn of 41 Squadron next to that 41 Squadron XII. I believe Kynaston had just gotten his DFC
Blow up of the Wing photo showing Kynaston again on Harrie’s left. Harries was the WingCo at that time and Kynaston CO of 91 Squadron. 41 Squadron CO Bernard Ingham is on Harrie’s right. F/L Ian Matthew of 91 is on the propeller. He later was CO of 41 Squadron. Pinky Glenn also later CO of 41 is two to the right of Ingham.
Taken at the DFC award ceremony for Free French Pilot Jacques Andrieux on May 9, 1944. There are a lot of photos from this event. Another appears in Peter Hall’s book as well. This one was in the logbook of a former 41 and 91 Squadron Spit XII pilot that I am lucky enough to have.
I have a fair amount of stuff on Kynaston from his Spit XII days. The Op where they claimed 9 was the Tangmere Spit XII Wing on October 20, 1943. From everything I’ve been able to find, there were no overclaims that day either. They did get 9 for no loss.
I’ll get the scanner going later and post some of the Kyn photos I have.
Interesting pics Aeronut.
In the top one I can see more Vampire removable engine cowls but the long black device leaning against the RH wall in the top picture is a Lancaster main u/c down lock. TAC had a few other Lanc u/c parts but I don’t know what became of them.
Also, on the top of the pile (top pic again) is one of several ex-Mustang Malcolm Hood canopies NAPS/TAC had. Retrieved from a farm local to Manchester airport and reputedly acquired by the farmer when such aircraft were scrapped at Ringway after the war. Again, no idea what became of them.
Anon.
Check the shape of that Malcom hood. That’s not Mustang, That’s Thunderbolt
Would some of the birds, like the IWM Spit be candidates to have something done to them like was done with the FAA Corsair? Would they find previous markings?
The fact that we still consider the idea that any war can be ‘civilized’ probably has a lot do to with why they continue to occur.
Interesting to note people talking about how it was seen ‘back then’ as to what is acceptable ‘now’.
I’d suggest people are just as dead now as they were then. Because we continue to try and sanitize it, doesn’t make it cleaner death.
My impression of the question was which book would you put on the shelf to draw someone in.
If it’s the one that got me, it was “Great American Fighter Pilots of World War 2” by Richard Loomis. I was about 8 and the only kid to check it out from the school library…over and over and over again.
Gift of Wings is a great book. Of the Bach stuff, “Illusions” is my favorite, with “Stranger to the Ground” a close second.
“Nanette” by Edwards Park about his love affair with his P39 would be my favorite fighter pilot story.
Really way too many to narrow the list down too far. “Wing Leader”, “Serenade to the Big Bird”, Bruce Robertson’s book on the Spitfire will always be my favorite. Joblonski’s book “Flying Fortress” Birdsell’s “Log of the Liberators”. It goes on and on.
A really hard question as so many books came to mind. My answer is even a surprise to me, but if it had to be the most bang for the buck in one book that might catch as many readers as possible if it was their only option.
Ernest K Gann’s Flying Circus.
Short stories about the development of civilian aviation from the very early days. It also offers a taste of WW2 aviation with a nice chapter on the civilian Mossies running from Sweden to the UK during the war.
Each chapter has great artwork of the aircraft in question and the final chapter where he describes being part of a ferry flight of an old DC3 across the Pacific had me wanting to go back to the late 30s
In terms of WW2 aviation, the most beat up and overused books on my shelves at home are
“Flying Buccaneers” Steve Birdsell
“The Mighty Eighth” Roger Freeman
‘Eagle Day” Richard Collier
I always find myself going back to those.
[QUOTE=kleinnak;1635086]Sorry if it seemed like I was flying off the handle a bit there Dan, and I suppose I was a little. I’ve actually been contemplating writing a sort of apology for my prickly responses lately. Baz was right, I was getting a bit too into it! So I’m sorry for that. And it wasn’t just here either, I’ve put up with the same arguments elsewhere too. I guess I just feel I have a bit of a duty to stand up for my statements, as to my frame of mind how could I ever really look these men who I championed for in the face and go “well, I wrote a very moving piece to inspire people to remember you and learn more about you but some people disagreed with me so I backed down.” So I guess that’s where I’m coming from. but I promise i’ll lighten up from now on. It’s no excuse however for me attacking someone who was doing what my goal was all along, getting curious and trying to learn. So for that, I definitely apologize. Though I hope from past posts maybe some of my frustration can be a little understood… you do sort of feel like you’re “beating a dead horse” after a while as the saying goes. but again, no excuse in your case so i apologize for my harsh response.
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No worries Nathan 🙂
For what it’s worth. I wrote this 11 years ago and a buddy put it up online. When those guys get in your system, it’s easy to get invested in them
My apologies Nathan if you thought I was arguing your point. I wasn’t asking you to defend your writing. It was more my own curiousity based on your article that got me digging into this stuff, along with it by chance connecting a bit to a personal project on that Yank Beaufighter driver.
It’s safe to say that the US was very much isolationist at the time and Roosevelt was walking a tightrope with an election year and the influences of big name isolationists like Charles Lindbergh among others.
I think what it all shows is that we as a country were not there to help directly as ‘it wasn’t our war’ at the time.
PR503. Seven hours flight time testing now logged.
Mark
Now that is one beautiful kite. Can’t really explain it, but the single stage Griffon Spit/Seafires just look right to me.
Now for EN224 please 🙂
Bruce Robertson’s book on the Spitfire will always be my favorite.
It covers more of what the original poster is asking. Spit the History is a great book too, but it’s lacks the personal stories etc.
Ah! Those distant days before negative scanners, of lamps and stands and copy negatives. 🙂
I wonder in this case, did the copy neg produce the print or did the print produce the copy neg.
Mark
Good question 🙂
I’ve seen some of those before. Wouldn’t mind the photo of Peter Cowell’s low back XIV EB-P however.
And I remember those days of copy negatives. Much prefer the scanner if for no other reason then the costs.