Only replying to get the 4th Spitfire Avatar in a row in this thread:)
Dan
BTW that makes 2 XIIs a Mk I and and IX so far. XIIs taking over again 🙂
I had to chuckle a bit. 16 is the only Air Enthusiast I have. Had to have it for the “America’s Spitfires” article in it when it first came out. Never noticed the CW-21 bit until you mentioned it.
It appears JDK is already on the case, but I’d be happy to copy and mail the CW-21 article to you too if needed.
Dan
Originally posted by JDK
This ISN’T an anti Hollywood or anti American statement.I bet a lot to a brass farthing, that in the film (if / when it comes out) Fisk will achieve at least one kill. Film makers (those with stars like Cruise, rather than films with -ah- more complex plotlines than a Disney cartoon, that is) CAN’T handle anything less than that. That’s my point.
Film bios seem always to exagerate, and for me that detracts from the point of the excercise. But that’s the way it is.
Cheers
The never ending battle I fight with myself on these films is whether or not I can let myself ‘suspend my disbelief’ long enough to enjoy them.
I’ve never seen Pearl Harbor, U-571 etc because I know I’d hate them for the total fabrication of things.
On the other hand, one of my favorite ‘guilty pleasures’ is a wartime film called “Air Force” with John Garfield. The Crew of the B17D “Mary Ann” wins WW2. They land during the raid on Pearl Harbor. Then drop in at Wake Island bofore moving on to fight in the Phillipines at Clark Field where they are shot down, rebuild the plane on their own and fly off to Australia, sinking the Japananese Navy in the process. Total rubbish but great fun, plus the early model B17 it was filmed around.
So I get torn when these discussions come up on films. Sadly many people get their ‘history’ from them. But if it gets people thinking or gets anyone to dig further, aren’t the worth it?
An example. I work with troubled teens for a living. A few years back after Saving Private Ryan came out, we were talking about it and one of the kids said his grandpa ‘had one of those “eagle patches”. It turns out his Grandfather who had recently passed away was in the 101st Airborne during WW2. He knew nothing about what grandpa had done. I asked if he wanted to know and he said yes. After a bit of digging, we learned that Grandpa had jumped on D-Day, survived being wounded during the Market Garden Operation, survived the Battle of the Bulge and was one of about 10 guys in his company to fight from D-Day to the end.
If not for the movie, that kid would never have known what his Grandfather had done.
So I go back and forth on this stuff. Say they make the film about Fiske and embellish the story and he gets a kill. We’ll know it’s not true but others won’t. But if it gets a kid to start digging, isn’t it worth it in the end?
If not for the TV shows 12 0’Clock High and Combat, I’d never have gone down this path.
Dan
Originally posted by Seafuryfan
Mark12 – may I ask a question? (you may need cut and paste for this 🙂 )Just why DO you like the MkXII so much? I think i’ve read that Alex Henshaw had a soft spot for it…
PS: Hi HP57, I’m back in the Emerald Isle if you still want that Halibag wreck checked out 😉
Mark12 doesn’t even come close to Spit XII obsession. I’m leader of that pack 🙂
OK, OK so he got closer to the XII in reality then me. I can’t help it I’m on the wrong side of the pond!
The Spit XII was ahead of the game in 43. Think about how the LFIX and LFXVI ended up. Clipped wing, tall tail, down on the deck. Sounds a lot like a Spit XII doesn’t it?
Fast down low, tough looking with the bigger spinner and clipped wings and king of the hill in the fall of 43 when it came to Fighter Command kills.
And having gotten to know many former Spit XII drivers, they are a great bunch of people.
Dan
3 of the NCO pilots from 41 Squadron in the fall of 43 behind one of their Spit XIIs. Jimmy Payne, Jackie Fisher and Peter Wall
Someday Cees, Someday 🙂
Dan
Thanks for the ID’s Mark. I’ve always liked the Kingcobra, probably due to having grown up near Crystal Airport in Minnesota where Jack Sandberg housed his P63 Racer “Tipsy Miss”.
Nothing like the sight of a bright orange Cobra roaring over the house to get the blood pumping.
I guess I’ll have to do the two ID’d Kurile 63s in the basic camo they would have worn on delivery.
Oh to win the lottery just once 🙂
Dan
That makes sense. If it was a cloth dummy it certainly could have been crammed in there. Were the codes the same as this Spit in the “Colin” bail out?
Dan
Spit XII all the way. Clipped wings, fast on the deck…..where are those 190s anyway?
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Here was my attempt when we discussed this kite before
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From Spitfire Aces again
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From Price’s “Spitfire at War”
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Profile from Price’s Spit V Aces
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The Fighter Command Combat Report for the flight in which Bader went down says he was flying a Va and was a Presentation Aircraft marked “Lord Lloyd the First”
According to Spitfire Mark V Aces 1941-45 by Alfred Price, the serial number was W3185 and was “Lord Lloyd I”
Dan
Martin Caiden’s book “Everything but the Flak” about the ferry flight of the 3 ressurected B17s for the movie “The War Lover” is a classic.
Wasn’t Crewsdon an RAF pilot in the Far East during the war too?
Dan
A wannane Spit pilot’s dream….short of a flight in a two seater
I remember it like yesterday. In the cockpit of P7350 at Coltishall. Peter Cowell took the photo
Dan