FirebexAs money seems no object a complete new airframe built out of Carbon fibre and other composite bases like they do with modern airliners guaranteed to be long life airframe very durable etc.Trouble is if you have a misshap you have to clear an enormous area and get special disposal teams in etc to deal with all the needle stick injuries and HSE issues and thats before the CAA get involved.
C.A.A. and H.S.E. together on a Mossie project what a combination the only thing better would be to add EU aviation legislators in the mix the Ultimate S.N.A.F.U
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Firebexwith there being so little of the original airframe in existance and certainly nothing of the original frame 5 what has happened to all the ID plates and construction plate to prove the aircraft it is or not ??.
i know there is a lot of documentation with history of the aircraft but how much is there of the aircraft ?after an in depth look NOT Much,.
As for the value placed on it by the Auctioneers who seem to think the value is in the CAA registration as they put it.I did try to point out that to get a registration allocated to a potential project is not rocket science and unless the project has actually started to happen does not mean much but this did not seem to register with them.
Mike e
Firebexwith there being so little of the original airframe in existance and certainly nothing of the original frame 5 what has happened to all the ID plates and construction plate to prove the aircraft it is or not ??.
i know there is a lot of documentation with history of the aircraft but how much is there of the aircraft ?after an in depth look NOT Much,.
As for the value placed on it by the Auctioneers who seem to think the value is in the CAA registration as they put it.I did try to point out that to get a registration allocated to a potential project is not rocket science and unless the project has actually started to happen does not mean much but this did not seem to register with them.
Mike e
FirebexThere seems to be a lot of history with this airframe and the cockpit seems to be very complete.I only note the fuel gauge missing and perhaps the starter buttons.Also both sets of spar booms are missing.as well as the firewall fittings.and i suspect the fuel tank etc will also have gone.
The fuselage seems to have broken just on the forward edge of the radio bay but the photo’s do not give to much information .
With its paperwork and provenance and allocated registration for a rebuild it could be worth a punt. But I would suggest that £120-£150k is perhaps a bit high. Half that might be a bit nearer.
FirebexThere seems to be a lot of history with this airframe and the cockpit seems to be very complete.I only note the fuel gauge missing and perhaps the starter buttons.Also both sets of spar booms are missing.as well as the firewall fittings.and i suspect the fuel tank etc will also have gone.
The fuselage seems to have broken just on the forward edge of the radio bay but the photo’s do not give to much information .
With its paperwork and provenance and allocated registration for a rebuild it could be worth a punt. But I would suggest that £120-£150k is perhaps a bit high. Half that might be a bit nearer.
FirebexThe Merlin 225 is the one withdrawn from ebay and the one we went to look at its a total wreck ex crash site Mosquito.Its description is totally false the bottom has been ripped out of it in the crash and its probably worth according to a war bird engine man about £3k max. Stay well away from it.
Mike e
FirebexThe Merlin 225 is the one withdrawn from ebay and the one we went to look at its a total wreck ex crash site Mosquito.Its description is totally false the bottom has been ripped out of it in the crash and its probably worth according to a war bird engine man about £3k max. Stay well away from it.
Mike e
Firebexplease can you confirm part number or AM referernce numbe rplease we have a box with some odds and ends in that look a bit like your photo but not enough info to know either way.
Firebexplease can you confirm part number or AM referernce numbe rplease we have a box with some odds and ends in that look a bit like your photo but not enough info to know either way.
FirebexMight I ask have we actually got anyone commenting on this forum from the proposed project ??.
I don’t seem to recall any (perhaps one).
I would really like to see some comment from members of the 13 or what ever alleged to be involved.
John has been making a lot of comment regarding structure etc but as far as I can tell he is just an interested donator and potential supporter of the project.
There is a lot of from what I can see realistic and helpful comment and sense being suggested in the main part as well as sadly some misunderstanding or lack of knowledge on how modern aircraft restorations and the relationship with the CAA works.This latter could give any potential donator and supporter reservations about the project and rightly so.
I feel it would be nice and justified to seek comment from at least one person directly connected with the projects concept and plans. There has already been some confusion I understand with the BBMF involvement and on at least one other forum this has been clarified and underlined that the BBMF ARE NOT part of the project .
If nothing else clarification is helpful.
I think the project in principle is one with potential if carried out properly and planned correctly .But uninformed conjecture and or rumor can kill a project stone dead. Perhaps putting the web site up so soon may have jumped the gun slightly or needs to be a lot more detailed and informative than it is or not up at all.
I think with all my other input I have said all I can on this project hope it helps and comes to fruition at some future date.
Mike E
FirebexMight I ask have we actually got anyone commenting on this forum from the proposed project ??.
I don’t seem to recall any (perhaps one).
I would really like to see some comment from members of the 13 or what ever alleged to be involved.
John has been making a lot of comment regarding structure etc but as far as I can tell he is just an interested donator and potential supporter of the project.
There is a lot of from what I can see realistic and helpful comment and sense being suggested in the main part as well as sadly some misunderstanding or lack of knowledge on how modern aircraft restorations and the relationship with the CAA works.This latter could give any potential donator and supporter reservations about the project and rightly so.
I feel it would be nice and justified to seek comment from at least one person directly connected with the projects concept and plans. There has already been some confusion I understand with the BBMF involvement and on at least one other forum this has been clarified and underlined that the BBMF ARE NOT part of the project .
If nothing else clarification is helpful.
I think the project in principle is one with potential if carried out properly and planned correctly .But uninformed conjecture and or rumor can kill a project stone dead. Perhaps putting the web site up so soon may have jumped the gun slightly or needs to be a lot more detailed and informative than it is or not up at all.
I think with all my other input I have said all I can on this project hope it helps and comes to fruition at some future date.
Mike E
FirebexYou can count us in for the Kraguj 30131 (minus wings).
Whirlwind display stand.
Possibly Flying Flea
and possibly a Spitfire exhibit of some description.
depends on bodies and trailers available.
Mike E
FirebexIt will be great to see you Ritch and Max.
I have probably bitten off more than I can chew! At CF 2011, I was looking at my Seafire and thought wouldn’t it be nice to put a Spit 1 next to it! Anyhoo, I have been feverishly acquiring stuff and making bits. Frame 8 was hideous and is about 85% complete. Big rivetting session yesterday.
I hope it will make it. I have also acquired a couple of largish Nimrod bits that should make a nice/poignant display.
You mean one of these ??? Try Frame 11 that can be very interesting !!!!
Mike E
FirebexThere has been some criticism of the structure used in the Mosquito might I also point out that basically the same structure was used on DH Jets !!!!.
The DH Venom in single and two seat versions served all over the world with many different nations as did the DH Vampire then they went and started launching it off aircraft carriers. Obviously the stress and strains imposed on the structure by a blow lamp being inserted up its rear and thumping down on Aircraft carriers in all sorts of WET weather did not do any significant harm.In fact many are flying today with various operators in varying climates.
Therefore I suggest that as the method of construction was good enough to do this you don’t need to re invent the wheel unless of course you have a lust for wasting money !!!
Mike E
FirebexRe HJ711 as many know Tony has spent approaching 40 years on the aircraft rebuild. But also it is built using components from Seven Airframes any suggestion that Tony may even give a thought to selling the project is without any question a total and utter none starter. Beside his enthusiasm for the Mosquito it is also being built as a memorial to his late wife who supported him so much with the project.
Plus the main plane is damaged and beyond the realms of repair schemes in the manuals etc.It looks really brilliant and Tony has worked wonders on it but any suggestion she will ever do anything other than ground run and taxi is wishful thinking.
There are a number of airframes lying around including the ones in Sweden there are a couple in the sea,One that fairly recently the remains of has been given to the museum in Malta but is an unidentifiable airframe there is a a very good example lying in shallow water in the Med on its back but the Nav is still in it so it is a none starter,shame as all the metal work is there both engines props and of course an ID..
Any suggestion of building a metal Mosquito being banded about by some on this forum does not seem to take into account that in the eyes of the CAA and any other licensing body in any other country it will be a new type demanding new approved design drawings,destructive testing and all sorts of issues to get around.
When the aircraft is built if it is wood or metal as many warbird operators are finding EU regulations and Insurance are a crippling factor and they can only escalate 10 or 15 years down the line.As Ely how she manages to keep Sally B in the air ?? if it was’nt for a certain very wealthy airline owner putting it on his insurance it would be a ground display. All the nice DC3 and other similar types have fallen foul of the regulations and for quirky EU regulations get classed as full airliners and a lot ended up in museums because of it.
When you start operating Maintenance costs will take 60% of your over heads and insurance the other 40%. As the Vulcan guys have found they have full bookings for shows and still struggle to generate enough funds to be able to get air bourne !!!! and sadly they still have to put appeals out every year to top up and continue. Also a statement was made about not knowing the costs for the Vulcan as I understand it their original estimate was £5 million in the end it was more like £13m a very big leap and I feel that the guys on this project must not be fixed on a set sum and expect to be just that if they feel its going to cost £5m then at least double that and add a contingency for 25% on top again then when its ready to operate you need to have another budget to cover flight tests,paperwork, inspections, problems,and of course insurance
Mike E
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