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  • in reply to: Could An-70 be the Answer for South Africa #2249775
    Sintra
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    Could An-70 be the Answer for South Africa’s airlift problem it has the same capabilities as A400m and costs about 70 million dollars or half that of A400m
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    Untill someone (AKA the Russian Air Force) actually orders the AN-70 in numbers (there are only three firm orders from the Ukranian MOD, the dvelopment contract signed with the Russians covers… development) the SAAF would be entirely mad to go for this aircraft.

    in reply to: 1.8Bn$ for 10 C17: think about it Eu! #2250336
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    The only confirmed price that I can (rapidly) find on google is the one stated by FlightGlobal (see the news section on KeyPub forum.

    Nope
    The 1.78 Billion US$ was the exact amount that the FMS through Wright Patterson signed with Boeing in February 2012 for 10 airframes. Airframes without Government funded items, things like a great big chunck of the avionics, without the engines, without every bit of suplied Indian items, without the FMS 3,75%, etc, etc, etc.
    The contract number is FA8614-06-D-2006, DO 0009.
    http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4718

    Another good (a written reply by the Indian Defense Minister) source here:
    http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=78432

    The estimated cost of the procurement of the C-17 aircraft is US $ 4.116 billion

    Cheers

    in reply to: 1.8Bn$ for 10 C17: think about it Eu! #2252700
    Sintra
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    C-17 fly away cost 218 million dollars

    A400M fly away cost 182 million dollars 36 million dollars cheaper per airframe and every time you fly it getting cheaper

    Out of the box A400m will be able to carry out Airlift – AAR – Medi-vac I would not call this limited

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    The “Fly Away Unit Cost” is a measure used by the US DOD, i´ve never seen anything in Europe being quantified that way. The “Fly Away Unit Cost” refers to the cost of building one single aircraft, it doesnt include R&D, logistics, training, etc, and while the numbers for the “FAUC” of the C-17A are known and published there´s absolutely no equivalent number for the A400M, on the other hand those “182 million dollars” are awfully close to what the UK PLC will pay for it, but thats not a “FAUC”, it includes a lot more, development by example. In short the Fly Away Unit Cost of the A400M should be (quite) a bit lower.

    in reply to: 1.8Bn$ for 10 C17: think about it Eu! #2252703
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    Price quoted is extracted from the recent IAF deal.

    Re-check the sources. The FMS offer was 5.8 billion US$.
    http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36-b/2010/India_10-08.pdf

    Cheers

    in reply to: 1.8Bn$ for 10 C17: think about it Eu! #2254433
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    Depends on what’s included, doesn’t it? If those are fully fitted out aircraft with a full support package, I’d be astonished.

    I would be nothing short of astounded if they had the engines included. On top of that, the typical FMS contract for C-130J and C-17 doubles to triples the typical USAF “Fly Away Unit Cost”…

    in reply to: 1.8Bn$ for 10 C17: think about it Eu! #2254435
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    All is in the tittle. So, let’s comment and debate.

    Taking into account that just the airframe, without avionics or engines, for the last batch of USAF aircrats (10 contracted in 2010) was more expensive than that by a bit more than 5 millions apiece (page 90, Department of Defense
    Fiscal Year (FY) 2012 Budget Estimates Justification Book Volume I AIRCRAFT PROCUREMENT, Air Force – 3010) i am all ears how sudenly Boeing can make such an offer…

    Numbers Here:
    http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/budget/pbfy12.asp

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News and Updates #2262059
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    Read the linked articles and i don’t know where you got this from but think: The F-18 were to be bought second hand, i can’t see a permanent solution based on low-hour airframes, especially on carrier-based ones.

    There were talks with Northrop (the 1989 discussions) that included one scenario in wich it was discussed the acquisition of 40 brand new F-18(FN´s), this was described in an article by “Air&Couscous” (the magazine is buried somewhere in my garage). If this option was seriously considered by the “Royale” or if it was only an offer by the Americans i have no idea.

    Cheers

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2270049
    Sintra
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    I just wish all aircraft programs had the same level of entertainment that the F-35 has created.

    You werent “here” (well not here, no internet those day´s) when good old Mcdonnell Douglas was portraying the legacy Hornet has the next best thing after sliced bread (good has a Tornado in the ATG role and has capable, or almost, has an Eagle in the ATA mission) and almost everybody else in the States (not the Marine Nationale :cool:) saying that it wasnt much of an improvement over the A-7…
    And dont get me started on the EFA program!

    Cheers

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2270909
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    I believe what @djcross envision is that all money will be spent on the a/c,
    so there won’t be any cash left for stand-off munitions

    Doubt it, he specificaly mentioned the use of the Kongsberg JSM.

    http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4739450189120494&pid=15.1

    Cheers

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2271224
    Sintra
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    A modern surface action group is a tough nut to crack. If somebody was to park a SAG of Slava/Sovremennys off of Norway’s coast, that SAG would be invulnerable to F-16s, Gripens or Typhoons since the Gen4s would be too busy dodging missiles to mount an effective attack. But stealthy F-35 can get close enough to target the SAG, employ JSMs and support the JSMs all the way to their targets by using F-35’s electronic attack capability.

    The dam thing with surface AAW ships is that no matter how capable your radar/sensor suit is, the earth curvature blocks your line of sight to something like 25/30 kms against something flying 15 meters over the ocean, and there are no mountains, trees, whatever, so anything from an helicopter to a fast jet can safely fly right above the water surface.
    Unless those Slava/Sovremennys had AEW suport, far from being “invulnerable” they would be in for an atrition slugfeast of PGM�s/Ashm�s, TODAY.
    Surface ships without air suport are no better today than the Ostfriesland was when Billy MItchell did his show.

    Sintra
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    Is this a hypothetical estimate or based on engagements between the RAF and USAF? If the latter, then it must be taken with a pinch of salt as the last time i checked the F-22 went on all exercises and foreign visits with its RCS degraded either with blinkers or throuh general RCS management technique.

    I would be a mit surprised if that happened at the recent RAF/USAF exercises. I cant think of a valid reason for the USAF to degrade the Raptor´s RCS when working (solely) with the Brits, pilots that get their paycheck from HM government have been flying the Raptor for something like a decade…

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale, News & Discussion (XV) #2282286
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    …the UAE is likely to buy 26 F-16 jet fighters…

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/u-s-to-announce-10-billion-arms-sale-in-middle-east.html

    Likely to push any Rafale/Typhoon order to the right?

    The 300X time that i´ve read that the UAE are going to buy more vipers, and the 234X time that i see that Israel is going to acquire V-22´s… And on Bloomberg, that specialized aerospace publication…
    It can happen, but untill something appears in the FMS site or in the specialized press take it with a pinch of salt (a big one)

    in reply to: is US going to airstrike Russia? #2282288
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    Last night the news said the suspects in the bombing are both Russian and receive military training in Russia. i did not expect this at all?
    maybe Russia can help instead?

    No, the Americans wont bomb Russia, Martians will

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    Could someone lock this topic?

    in reply to: F35 News only thread for 2013 #2286140
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    (trying to learn) Can I ask why the JSF was to be only a single platform to satisfy all the requirements instead of 3 distinctly different versions made by manufactures, one conventional, carrier and stovl? Why not award Lockheed one or two and Boeing the remaining (assuming they produced ac unto standard)

    Are the costs of development, training, operational costs (predicted to be very high) and poor kinematic performance not outweighing the single origin design.

    Would it have been smarter to actually produce a new LO F-16 type ac, the F-35a is getting there but still is very different, surely this would have had mega bucks sales potential instead of compromising everything into one type.

    I.e Cheaper, more capable performance (non compromised design) that more importantly would actually meet the requirements of many of the EU nations, etc…

    To cut development costs.
    The only way that the Pentagon convinced Washington to fund a new platform was that this new “all dancing, all singing, very affordable” aircraft was going to replace almost every tatical combat jet in the inventory, while at the same time the development costs would be a lot lower than developing three new aircrafts.
    In the end, they might have been right, we just have to look at the A/F-X and the massive beast that it was to imagine what it would cost to have the Navy, the USAF and the Marines to design three diferent programs with their own specifications. They would all be axed along the way…
    Would it be possible to avoid this massive budget overrun and delayed deliveries in the JSF program?
    Yes, but hindsight a decade and a half latter is all very well and nice but irrelevant.

    Cheers

    in reply to: F35 News only thread for 2013 #2286151
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    And the F-35A/C is a perfect example of that !

    I remember when i´ve read in 1994 the first reports about what would become the JSF and then thinking something in the lines off: ” they want to make a 9G, supersonic, stealth, STVOL strike fighter! They are in for a world of troubles”.

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