How about the other missile like r-27 , r-77m , r-37m , r-33 ,RVV-BD ,,,, ect all have much much longer range than aim-120d and meteor

You have been reading the APA site, right?

The R-27 is a vintage weapon, equivalent to a latest generation Sparrow or Aspide, its operational PK was dreadfull (and were did you get the idea that it has longer legs than a AIM-120D or an MBDA Meteor?), it doesnt belong in this discussion.
Whats a R-77M? If its the 1993 Ramjet R-77 project, it went frozen dead more than a decade ago. Vympel has been doing research on ramjet, but there´s no Russian operational ramjet aam, and there´s no sign that such a weapon enters service for the foreseable future. If we are talking of the RVV-SD, its an R-77 with an improved rocket engine, seeker and a new laser proximity fuse. Its an evolutionary improvement over the basic RVV-AE, an R-77″D”.
The R-33 is another vintage SARH weapon, a massive beast (an old one), no doubt that it can/could handle a B-52, now dealing with a recent fighter aircraft thats quite another story.
The R-37, a (much) updated R-33, its operational status is also a bit of a puzzle, the most probable being “operational with the Mig-31BM unit(s)”, its not in widespread use , and sure has hell its not available for “Flanker” use. The R-37 its the only (probably) operational weapon with a clear, useful range advantage over the latest western AAM´s. Its also massively big.
The R-37M, the R-37 with a detachable rocket booster, development status is unknown, its not operational. The program might have ended up in the technological pool for the RVV-BD (or it transformed itself into the RVV-BD).
RVV-BD, a new generation long range heavy weight AAM, in development, operational status “unknown”, for service “some day”, “some day, day unknown”.

If any of our Russian colegues have recent updates, feel free to correct me, recent news are always welcome.

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If the primary use is airshow display and fly-by for Royal Holidays, then Gripen will be the correct choice.

And if the alternative is to acquire a handfull of airframes for doing nothing at the airbases because they are too dam expensive to actually fly them, well, Dave A will be a fine choice…

It’s about the size of a T-50, meaning KAI and Lockheed hit the sweetspot 15 years ago.

Yes, because Boeing has (not) already disclosed the dimensions of that design, right?
And nevermind that the dimensions of a BAE Hawk 128 or a Dornier Alpha Jet, etc, are similar to a T-50… BAE and Dornier/Dassault got it right first.

IIRC, The F-15 with only 4 AIM-120s is still draggier than a clean F-35

Is it?
The F-15 eagle with 4 AIM-120´s has a worse ThrustDrag ratio than the F-35A?
If so, an F-35A will outrun and outclimb an almost clean Eagle…
Can you prove it?
Because i am having a really, really, really hard time to believe thats true.

It’s a 350 unit deal, a rarity in today’s defense budget austerity world. Everyone in the business wants to take his chances, such that even a Chinese company wanted to get in.

They had no other foreign trainer vendor to partner with. Maybe Northrop would have gone with Saab if Saab disclosed its intentions sooner.

Oh, right, except those Italian chaps, that are (forcibly) going alone after Boeing snubed a certain “Master”…

Yes, it didn’t specify the supersonic capability. Doing so would have made it a single vendor qualifying program(Before the Saab’s plan to enter the T-X contest, that is).

Since (at least) 2009, no one was expecting a KPP mentioning supersonic dash capabilities.

I did some reading on each T-X bidder’s spec and only the T-50 meets the KPP as i t stands. The KPP requires 6.5 G sustained turn, and only the T-50 has this. M-346’s figure is 5.5 G max, and Hawk would be lower than M-346’s figure.

In other word, the M-346 requires an airframe modification while the T-50(The USAF proposed model is actually said to be a customized F/A-50 with an F414 engine) can meet the requirements as is.

Edit : I forgot about the Gripen trainer. The Gripen too would meet this requirement, making this a T-50 vs Gripen showdown.

Maximum sustained load factor at 15,000ft and M0.6-0.8 is +6g and turn rate 14.5°/s – performance that exceeds many fighters and all trainers in either dry power or reheat. Only above M0.8 at this altitude does the KAI T-50 in reheat start to better the turn rate of the M-346. Maximum angle of attack is 40°, which matches or exceeds the limits of most modern fighters and allows the M-346 to undertake post-stall manoeuvres. Maximum roll rate is 230°/s and can be sustained up to 6g.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/flight-test-alenia-aermacchi-m-346-one-stop-warrior-207881/

And the KPP says precisely this:
KPP #2 Sustained G 6.2.2
Aircraft shall be able to sustain 6.5 Gs for no less than 15 seconds (Conditions: 80% fuel weight, drag index = 0, sub-sonic airspeed, altitude block of 10,000 to 20,000 feet MSL) using no more than 15 degrees nose low attitude

I would imagine that the “normal” M-346 would be very, very, very close to this KPP.

why did BAE agreed intially for lower price if manufacturing was not its control. now it has become a saga. only 24 aircraft standard aircraft after 6 years. and those aircrafts are not of the standard that BAE wants price increase for next batches.

Simple, they didnt. The signed contract covered the cost for the original batch built in good old GB, the costs for tranche 2 and 3 were always dependent on future negotiations. And thats whats happening now.
The Gorshokv saga was a sorry affair of “yeah, we´ve signed a contract, but either you pay more or we dont deliver the goods, if you are not happy, tough luck”…

Gorshokv airwing is already delivered and fully operational.

“Fully Operational”?!

No, far from it. But its pretty irrelevant, you have compared the Typhoon acquisition by Saudi Arabia with the Carrier deal, not with its airwing, so…

1500 Indian workers trained on carrier construction and operations. there is no price increase in further 29 MIG-29K. The aircraft deliverd to IN is much more capable from the start.. infact price is increas is only $1.5b on the carrier which is very modest for such thing.

Modest?! They´ve tripled its price after riping a signed contract!
I am quite aware that you live in a very particular world of yours (RUSSIA STROOOONG, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH), but “Modest”?!!!!!!!!!!
Let me guess, Commodore Sukhjinder Singh repeated “modest” twenty times a day?