The M1.2, M1.6 were certainly achieved clean or almost clean while the gripen in switzerland should have carried some external stores or smaller fuel tanks to attend the test in a realistic config.
I think the article is anti gripen because of its not so satisfactory performance. Not the reverse.
So, the basic Gripen can do Mach 2.0, but the Demo cant do more than mach 1.34?
And thats “according to our informant”?
And the Demo doesnt have a radar?
And the “new AMRAAM and IRST installed on the aircraft were really only jokes. The real missiles themselves are far from being operational”?
The IRIS T (i would imagine that was what they´ve meant) and the AIM120 are not operational? Really?
And, surprinsingly the Demo is not the final production aircraft?! And it would need to be developed?!!!!!!!!!!
How surprising!
I dont have a particular axe to grind in this Swiss story but if i´ve ever seen a truly biased hit job, this is it…
There´s absolutely nothing new in the entire article, with the exception of the comments about the maximum speed, interestingly enough those are the ones made by “our informant”, or the “whistle blower”, then they cut and paste a few comments from SAAB in such a way that it lends some “credibility” to the article.
I particulary loved this one “the head of the Swiss Air Force Markus Gygax is stunned: excluded to buy such a flying pan“
I would imagine that they´ve asked that to the chap himself, did they?
Except the empty weight, nothing is surprising for me.
Supercruise MACH 1,83?!
Maximum Speed MACH 2,5?!!!!
Clean Weight – 17 Tons ?!!!!!
Yea, with the intervention of god almighty or a massive breakthrough in engine technology and materials…
Those numbers are bogus.
If you by “blue water work” mean watching somalians on jet-skii’s armed with a shotgun, ok, (but you get a better view from an osprey)
just dont go within reach of any hostile patrol aircraft without AEW & CAP with the multi large slow target.
And since those patrol a/c has such phenomenal range, a better idea is to leave it at the dock and save some fuel.
I would imagine that these chaps (below) have designed their navies to take on the RSSGN (Royal Somalian shotgun Navy :D) then?




Navies like the JMSDF, ROKN, Armada Española, RAAN, PLAAN, etc, dont have AEW assets.
There are just five navies in the world who do have AEW assets
Why bother with a T26 if you don’t need decent AEW ?
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Didnt understood this one, the Type 26 is a multi purpose frigate and doesnt relate in any (at least for me) way with the MASC mission.
Almost every navy in the world (at leat the ones who do a bit of blue water jobs) field multi purpose frigates, but only a handfull field AEW assets.
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At some point or another most of us on here have probably came across Dare2/Thunder/Sampaix’s – or whatever he’s called this week – ramblings about how the scaled down version of God, Rafale
The final production of God gained weight, so the Rafale Trust Weight ratio is superior…
😀
Except…no tanker capability and no decent AEW…what could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:
Didnt understand that one.

Thats a Dave B….
If the problem is the lack of a buddy buddy refueling pod there´s nothing stoping it behing integrated on Dave B. Integrating such a one is not exactly rocket science and is almost certainly going to end up being done by the US Navy/Marine Corps.
And if by “decent AEW” you mean the E-2D Hawkeye, have you consulted the MOD and NAO budget documents?
There are slightly more than two billion pounds earmarked to develop and acquire the entire JCA fleet, thats a bit more than one sqn of fighters and there´s almost no money earmarked for MASC.
On the foreseable future (decade at least) MASC is the Sea King flogged to death, its substitute will be whatever is cheapest at the time and if they can salvage something from the Asac7 systems it will end up on whatever airframe is chosen. Anything else is a pipe dream.
One thing I’m struggling to find hard figures for, what is the combat radius of the F-35B? I’ve seen numbers ranging from about 400nm to 1000nm!
The KPP is for a 450 NM combat Radius, with ten minutes of reserve fuel on a “Marine Corps Mission Profile”
It will be roughly comparable with the Super Hornet.
AUSTRALIA will buy 10 new Alenia C-27J Spartan tactical transport aircraft, even though they have been labelled “not operationally suitable” by a US agency and are set to be dropped from US military service.
Good for the Aussies.
Then the only question is whether we go for Osprey or Merlin?;)
Merlin, its cheaper.
F-35B flying off QE in 2018. For £60 mn per year we could have two carriers, one operating & one at ‘high readiness’.
In my book, two aircraft carriers instead of one, and the ability to fill those ships with RAF pilots on an emergency without having to train and certify them in CATOBAR operations is good news.
No idea, I think if we are going down the conformal tank path we also need to add in the cost of the uprated EJ230 engines to allow for the increased fuel and munitions load.
How much do the F16 conformal tanks cost? Thats probably a good starting point thrashing out some figures.
The Typhoon has quite a gigantic Thrust/Weight ratio, the only other fighter that clearly has a bigger T/W is the Strike Eagle. Even with CFT´s i would be very surprised if it was needed any improvement in thrust to have the phoon acting like a long range bomb truck.
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don’t, answer !
nobody answer!
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France becomes another greece around december. Mark my words.
Nic
Nic
Dont even say that, here in Portugal things have been hard enough, i can only imagine what the Greeks are passing. Believe me you dont even want to think on it.
Thornado, Where are PLA-AF Jf-17 regiments based at?
Nowhere. The PLAAF didnt acquired the JF-17.
Why are you even discussing aerodynamics then, when you are referring to mythical active cancellation ?
Or perhaps you are just mixing it up since you couldn’t tell the difference ?
He recently went and read part of the Rafale´s topics and then copy pasted catch phrases and aplied them to the JF17…
“which Thunder has focused on since the very beginning with its superior data linking, sensor fusion, and defense aid”
“MAWS, more advanced EW active cancellation, better weaponry etc.”
There´s a more devious explanation, he actually does have a clue on what is being discussed and is having a laugh!