Didn’t the US offer this bird to India long ages ago? As a sort of LCA in lieu of the current LCA? The specs on this bird are rather impressive actually:
V. light, excellent twr, very good internal fuel capacity/fuel fraction, decent payload ~ 4000kg.
I don’t particularly care for the smallish wingsize and paltry 5 hardpoints though.
Definitely no match for a Mirage 2000 though, which was much larger, and certainly prettier. But excellent follow on to a MiG-21.
The US offered the F-16 in contest with the Mirage.
Can someone link me to this russian canard delta fighter ?
because i always end up with Berkut when i google
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Try the “Online Mos Eisley Cantina for Aerospace Geeks” aka Secret Projects Forúm.
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Nope, AFAIK S-37 was Sukhoi’s internal designation for what became the Su-47, the Su-37 we are talking about here would likely have been known by a name in the T-XY series (due to its delta wing).
Berkut was called the S-32, then the S-37 and finaly the SU-47. A decade earlier the designation S-37 was used for the delta canard fighter. At least thats what the Sukhoi stand in 1991 Dubai was calling it, and AFAIK thats what Vladimir Babak called it.
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Just to obliterate the entire argument, the 2013 USAF Budget just got released, the non recurrent “Fly Away Unit Cost” for the F-35A (“To Complete”) just went up almost 20% from last year (2012) budget, this IF the entire 1500+ fleet is acquired (fat chance)…
Is there any page that gives details on this Su-37 project, its concept and when it was conceived , etc? I didn’t even know such a project existed..why would Sukhoi develop another aircraft and name it the Su-37 Terminator?
If i am not mistaken the delta canard Sukhoi was called S-37, not SU-37.
Dont let the look fool you, the delta canard S-37 was a multirole fighter with a very strong enphasis on CAS/ATG missions. It had almost a ton of armour in the airframe. Think of a substitute for the SU17/22/27 and Mig-27, but capable of mach2/9G´s.
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Of course they are .
We never needed them so far .
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No they are not. Unless a never bought item his “operational”…
Neither the MN or the Adla have one single CFT in their inventory, and they were not produced.
Congratulations to Dassault.
It´s a huge victory.
Paint… And weapons clearance.
[/COLOR]Perhaps I should make it clear I am sure that with enough time and money none of the issues i have raised are insurmountable and that Typhoon could be turned into a carrier capable aircraft.
However with all things considered I dont think it should be done
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I think this last statement kills the entire discussion between you and me, we agree.
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Converting a land base aircraft to naval use is not as easy as some (Bae SAAB) would have us believe.
Anybody in a position of authority who seriously advocates a Naval Typhoon should be shot at dawn and there head placed on a spike over traitors gate, because for the damage such a project would achieve to the defence budget that is what their actions would amount to.
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So the initial problem was the nose, right now, its the canard, the angle of aproach and marinisation… By the end of this talk we are going to end on the paint.
1º “I refer you to mine and others comments regarding A of A”
Because that particular problem was not adressed by industry far back has 2001, when two diferent designs were proposed by Eurofighter GMBH to the Marina Militare to use in the NUM. One of those designs ended up in the latest Eurofighter world with the Indian colors. Have a good look at that design, there are two engines with TVC on the back end of it.
2º “There is a proposed suggestion as i stated to blow air accross the deck to reduce the A of A so asto improve landing visibility because the Canards impair landing visibility, this soloution would not be proposed if it wasnt required and it wouldnt be required if there wasnt an issue QED typhoon has restrictions on forward visibility on landing”
There´s?!! That´s something i would love to see! Can you show it?
I might be wrong but i have the idea that this particular “proposal” was made by someone who completely misunderstooding the “Navalised Typhoon PDF”.
3º “Yes very good 2 rough field capable aircraft (so the gear is much tougher already) that dont catapult launch thus removing this stress.
It is probable the aft fuselage has been beefed up for the tail hook.
Arrested landings are very stressful on the airframe and the surrounding structure has to be very robust and thus equally heavy in the typhoon this would be dead weight so it has not got this structural strength.
See the f35 thread for the problems it would cause if they have to relocate the tailhook.”
Off course that it would weight more, and the aircraft would have to be beefed up but even if you had two entire tons to that particular airframe you would still end up with better statistics on TW and weight loading than that of a SU33.
And the woos with the F-35 C tailhook have nothing to do in here, unlike Dave there´s ample space in the Typhoon to maintain a decent distance between the landing gear and the tailhook.
4º “That should have stated if required, however again you are flat out wrong harrier had to be marinised to become Sea harrier (magnesium removed from exposed structure)
WAH 64 has been subject to an awfull lot of corrosion prevention and treatment to marinise it.”
I am flatly right. Marinisation has been done to an awfull lot of airframes, aircrafts and helicopters and there´s nothing to prevent that being done on the Typhoon. That was precisely my point.
5º “Anybody in a position of authority who seriously advocates a Naval Typhoon should be shot at dawn and there head placed on a spike over traitors gate, because for the damage such a project would achieve to the defence budget that is what their actions would amount to.”
Completely agree, after spending more than two billion pouns on “Dave” the British MOD would have to be run by someone wearing a tin hat to seriously consider that one…
Yes very good pictures of aircraft with bulbous radomes this however does not mean my recollection is incorrect (which i am more than happy to concede could be it was something i read a long time ago).
The A of A for landing on the pictured aircraft may be such that visibility isnt overly impaired.
Or perhaps the MN (possibly incorrectly) believed it would interfere.
My point for Typhoon stands
Huge nose limiting forward visibility for landing
Canard placement impairs veiw on landing
(The suggestion that A of A could be reduced by a big fan blowing over the deck is best ignored)
Beefing up of landing gear
Beefing up of structure for trap and cat
changing structure as required for corrosion resistance etc.
1º”Huge nose limiting forward visibility for landing”
And me thinking that those images above would kill this claim, nevermind…
2º “Canard placement impairs veiw on landing”
Because you have been sitting on a Phoon and evaluated that for yourself, right?
3º “Beefing up of landing gear”
Never been done on previous aircrafts…

4º “Beefing up of structure for trap and cat”
Read point three
5º “changing structure as required for corrosion resistance”
Read point three
What´s next, the Typhoon cant be turned into an aircraft carrier because the paint his grey?
IIRC the smaller nose (wrt the tiffy etc) on the Rafale is a result of visibility requirements for landing on carriers.
Another reason a naval Typhoon isnt really a viable option with its bulbus great radome.

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Oman requests Typhoon buy from BAE
“Oman has issued a request for proposals to BAE Systems linked to the purchase of about 12 Eurofighter Typhoons, only one month after its plan to also buy a new batch of Lockheed Martin F-16s was revealed.
In a statement issued on 23 January, the UK government said it “welcomes the government of Oman’s request for a proposal from BAE Systems for the supply and support of Typhoon aircraft”. The milestone represents “an important step towards the contract”, it added.
The UK and Omani governments have been involved in bilateral discussions over a Typhoon sale for the past several years, with Muscat’s interest now believed to be linked to the acquisition of Tranche 3 production examples.
A deal is expected to be signed later in 2012, said BAE, which added that deliveries would start three years after the order confirmation. The company has already handed over its first 24 Typhoons to Saudi Arabia under a Project Salam deal totalling 72 units.
The Royal Air Force of Oman’s combat aircraft inventory includes eight F-16Cs, along with eight Sepecat Jaguars and 10 armed BAE Hawk 203s, as assessed by Flightglobal’s MiliCAS database.
Oman’s separate request for a second batch of 12 F-16C/Ds was outlined by the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency in December 2011. The purchase could be worth about $600 million, it said.”
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/oman-requests-typhoon-buy-from-bae-367228/
So if i am reading this right the Omanis from two sqn´s of Jaguars and one of Vipers will probably go to two sqn´s of Vipers and one of Typhoons. It actually makes sense.
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Hi
I wonder if the RAF and Ministry of Defence are giving any consideration to a replacement for the Tornado GR.4. Surely it cannot go on forever and remain an effective strike aircraft despite the upgrades.
Has anyone any thoughts on a likely replacement. Will attack-configured Typhoons take over the role or will a new type be acquired – the Super Hornet perhaps ? Or does the future of strike aircraft lie in the area of drones ?
Glen
The theory is that the Tornado will be replaced by a mix of F-35C´s, strike configured Typhoon´s and whatever cames out of the BAE Taranis program.
The practice will be dictated by the amount of money that the MOD will have.
Lifefist confirms it, EF is possibly the L1. Cites WSJ’s article and some very “strong rumors” floating around.
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2012/01/eurofighter-lowest-bidder-in-indian.html
Rumours, just rumours. Lets wait and see…