Since there are already design solutions to the F-35C’s hook problem I guess this will be as big a non issue as the melting flight decks of LHDs…
Or that other non-issue called weight that was resolved by the 2004 redesign.
Without that redesign we might have ended with a clean Dave A crossing the 13,2 ton instead of 12+ ton, or a clean Dave B reaching the 15 ton instead of 13,5 ton , or (God forbides) a clean Carrier Dave reaching for the 16 ton mark instead of 13,6 ton!
Wait a minute…
What was it called? The CWIP?
This sounds like a bad joke.. How is it even possible this hook-thing wasnt discoverd untill now??
Being able to land on a carrier deck should be priority No.1 for a carrier based fighter in my book…
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What a strange concept you have master Jedi!
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😀
Cheers
Can’t see them cancelling the order. The USN will want it sorted so they can have theirs too.
If there´s one service that has noot particulary vocal on the defense of the “Dave”, thats the US Navy.
Six fighters seem to be on the low side.
12 fighters however may be sufficient in particular if they are Gripen 😉
http://notoriusunpublicus.blogspot.com/2011/09/czech-republic-going-strong.html
Austria with 15 Typhoons seems to be saying they cannot do anything similar… and also note the comment above regarding the German Typhoons… :diablo:
My conclusion: You cannot do much useful with 8 Typhoon, and it will be horribly expensive, however with 14 Gripen you can perform QRA in two countries at the same time!
My, my!
Never, ever, get facts in front of a good story.
The Typhoons of JG74 were not replaced a “few days after with Phantom´s”…
JG74 Sqn completed a whole turn (two months) and them was replaced by JG71 who used Phantom´s who made another two months slot. Never mind that was planned more than one year before…
Oh, and for that particular mission the Luftwaffe reported an almost 100% availability despite the harsh weather.
Much over-classification arises from official rules rather than conspiracy.
I heard a glorious example during the Cold War era. A UK aviation journalist (now deceased) had seen a rather nice pic taken from an RN helicopter showing a then-new Soviet surface combatant. Could he have a copy for publication?
No.
Why not?
The photo is classified Secret.
Why?
It was taken during an intelligence-gathering mission. All information gathered during an intelligence-gathering mission is automatically classified as Secret.
Why?
Because we don’t want to give the Soviets any clues as to our intelligence-gathering capability.
But the Soviets know that this photo was taken – it was taken in day time and they will have seen this RN helicopter hovering a few hundred yards from their ship.
Yes.
You can see on the Soviet ship a photographer who is taking a photo of our helicopter.
Yes.
That Soviet picture will show the RN cameraman who took our picture.
Yes.
So the Soviets will be able to estimate the focal length of the lens the RN used to take this picture.
Yes.
So the Soviets will be able to predict exactly what this RN picture shows.
Yes.
So how can a photo whose contents are known to the other side be considered a secret ?
Because all information gathered during an intelligence-gathering mission is automatically classified as Secret.
Thats hilarious… 😀
Without trying to lift the veil of your identity, your style of writing sometimes has a lot of similarities with the eighties texts of Roy Braybrook.
Cheers 🙂
Facts, yes they are important to some of us. Please let me know when delivery of the production AESA RBE2 radars begins won’t you? According to Thales that is supposed to happen when the Tranche 4 Rafales, come off the production line in 2013. As I read it, enough development of the RBE2 has been completed to allow the radar to go into production. So far however none have yet been produced however.
I imagine that for the likes of Pierre-Yves Chaltiel it will quite a surprise, he was quite convinced that his team had delivered the first production AESA set almost two years ago (August 2010) to the chaps at Dassault!
It would be outrageous if they did. Perhaps if you combine the over-runs in the initial development of the Gripen, Rafale or Eurofighter (individually, not combined) and then added any AESA radar delays etc to this timeframe, the F-35 issues might not seem so bad, overall?
What over-runs in the initial development of the Gripen?


The F.Mk 3 has been replaced by the F-15C
29 Squadron disbanded in 2007. 34 Squadron converted to the F-15.
So far, the Tranche 2 Typhoons have replaced F-5Es with 3 and 10 Squadrons. Some of the remainder of the 72 aircraft initial order may be delivered to Tranche 3 standards, but this is not certain.
The remaining Typhoon units are likely to be given ex-F-5E unit numberplates.
Currently, the RSAF fast jet force has 12 Squadrons (the two F-5 units having almost certainly gone)
70 F-15S – 3 Squadrons
c.70 F-15C/D – 4 Squadrons
70 Tornado TSP – 3 Squadrons
24 Typhoon – 2 SquadronsSince the Saudi Armed Forces are all expanding dramatically (by about 100%), and since the RSAF is expected to get 450-500 NEW aircraft, we can assume that the Fast Jet force will come close to doubling, and that we will eventually see:
150 F-15SE – 6-8 Squadrons
70 Typhoon – 3 Squadrons
70 Tornado TSP – 3 SquadronsPlus six further Squadrons – probably from further Typhoon, and perhaps F-15, buys.
I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification.
No, that order was for tranche 2 Typhoons… which have only minimal air-ground capabilities… while Tornados are solely air-ground aircraft.
No, the Saudi MOD contracted 72 aircrafts, 24 from Tranche 2 who have been used to substitute the 24 Tornado FMK3 of the RSAF and another 48 Tranche 3 who are marked to substitute the Tormado GR4. There are talks of a massive increase in RSAF numbers, if that happens then we might see a diferent distribution of platforms than the original 2007 plan.
A good indication of the future plans of the RSAF will be the assigning of the new Strike Eagles.
I’m aware of that but while the EF T1s actually replaced the Jaguars, the F-22 replaced only the F-15A/Bs, so it might not be an apples to apples comparison.
Good point.
why you would be surpized if Tornado is replaced by Superhornet. They have practically lost confidence in EU military & economic power. and they simply cannot afford equal distribution of contracts either.
see Rafale deal become unworkable. and no AESA upgrades to RSAF yet but but 20 years old F-15s getting AESA upgrade.
Most of new large contracts will go to US firms and they deserve it by concentrating largest concentration of forces.
In September 2007 the Saudi Arabia MOD signed a contract with the British MOD for 72 aircraft´s to precisely replace the Tornado fleet…
How would that look?
Like a complete new aircraft. Not feasible for such low numbers.
Cheers
Hmm… I dunno. Do license produced aircraft count? Are we talking just American aircraft? Because the last Jaguar was delivered to the IAF in 2003 while the Tornado production ceased in 1998.
The substitute for the Jaguar was the Typhoon not the Tornado.
Its official, Embraer just released that the Super Tucano was choosed by the Usaf for the LAS programm
Official press release here:
Congratulations for Embraer.