If you take various figures of unit costs from various countries or competitions the rafale is always the cheaper with a comfortable margin.

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No.
From every single competition that the Rafale and the Typhoon were present there´s just one official document with a comparison cost, that was the 2001 Dutch evaluation, in wich the Typhoon was roughly 5% cheaper to buy and operate.
There´s not one single other official document from any competition.
What there´s are an awfull lot of press statements, both from Dassault and Eurofighter stating that their product was the cheapest, i think that you have the habit of just reading the Dassault ones.
The fact is that from whats coming from India the diference between the two offers is marginal…

The decision will take up to 3 weeks so don’t order anything yet.

I will be very surprised if it only takes three weeks! :diablo:

Cheers

Cmon guys this is the NICE MMRCA thread…

I just worry about all the sniping thats going to happen after this announcement.

Both aircraft have met the India’s criteria, both should be rightly proud of that, and the loser won’t be a bad aircraft by any means.

It’s all just costs now.. if they are close it will take a while, if its a big price gap well know real soon.

Apparently the bids are being opened at 0900 GMT.

Cheers

Caveat – being a Typhoon fan I have fingers crossed that OH MERDE! is heard!!
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Both manufacturers should be rightly proud of their product. Both of them have passed with “flying colors” on technical merits so discussing the number of wet pylons in the Typhoon or the nose diameter of the Rafale is a bit puerile (and tedious, we had that discussion a thousand times already).

Good luck to all, and while i am on the “OH MERDE!” camp, i am more than happy to accept that the RAFALE, if chosen, is a fabulous adition to the IAF orbat. 🙂

high bypass, optimised for subsonic. cranked F119 would be better.

Good point, but the F135 doesnt need to be developed. The only problem would be convincing the DOD that a direct competitor to the JSF “Dave” A is a “good thing”… 😮
Now where´s that design with two F414´s?

Neat looking machine, if it will be proceeded with. My immediate question is, what engine in the 170KN class will power this aircraft ? Will it be just like the long series of SAAB fighters , a licensed foreign engine adapted/ improved as needed, and if so, which one?

Just get a PW F135 and be done with it.

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thats news to me, any source?

SAAB.
They´ve recently released several documents about the FS2020. Signatory (who else?) posted them at mp.net

One constrain would be insufficiant power to operate new AESA radars.

The RACR and SABR sets are squarely aimed at older Viper generations.

If you just wait a minute and have a look at the price difference of the two aircraft in the Swiss competition the difference is quite considerable…

Is it?
Because we had official confirmation of that, have we?
And the newspapers had access to the actual proposals, had they?
And the three companies have already offered their “BAFO” documents, have they?

The dam thing is that while we can believe the latest news coming from the land of “chocolates” (and at least one of the journos who reported that particular story, Georg Mader, is a very, very good defence reporter) the truth is that the Swiss MOD is still to declare anything.

I can remember a competition (Submarines/Portugal) in wich the French offer who was far ahead of every one else was completely overrun in the last minute by the Germans “Best and final offer”, and infortunaly for dassault that has been the RAFALE story so far.

Finally, the cost of a Typhoon built in Manching will be very diferent from one built in India, the exact same will aply to the Rafale, so a direct comparison with the Swiss contest…

The MMRCA is a story by itself, and it can go either way.

Cheers