yes, but thats what korea asked for. But i still like smaller ACs. Its a bigger model of the swedish version FS2020.

The single engined version of the SAAB “fighter for 2020” is a 10+ ton aircraft, slightly longer than a typhoon, with a 17 ton thrust engine and a wing the size of a Eurofighter.

The only issue with this idea of Germany saving billions of Euros in penalty payments by transferring the 37 Typhoons to IAF (are those Tranche 3 Typhoons?) is that EADS’ commercial bid was submitted long ago. Unless the Germans knew several months ago that they were going to cut their own procurement numbers to 140 and hence ran up a chance of penalties, there is little chance of them being able to have included that in their cost calculations to reduce their margins even further.

The German cut, is nothing more, nothing less than the exact Tranche 3B. That this particular tranche is dead for quite some time is not exactly a secret. The German MOD was the third partner in releasing official documents stating that they wouldnt buy aircrafts from that particular Tranche.

the biggest mark against EF is percieved lack of “stealth” right? it has a good engine, good radar, good ew, good performance.
so why not make a EFT-XL based on F-16XL concept but stealth focused.

Because you would end up with a new design (something awfully similar to that SAAB design), and no one in europe has the money and the political will to fund that particular bird.

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Must say, I don’t really see why the MiG-29M family would be an outrageous aircraft to consider for the Argies, considering some of the other aircraft mentioned in this thead.

Agree, a “Fulcrum” variant would be a natural contender for an FAA “MRCA” contest. The FAA and Argentinas armed forces in general have always been a bit “American/NATO centric” in their equipment and doctrines, but thats slowly changing.
The great problem in a possible FAA “MRCA” contest is again, money, while Argentina´s economy is doing great by comparison with the last decade, the government doesnt seem too keen to re-equip its armed forces.

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Claims backed up by actual test data, as in turn rate, max speed, etc. For example, the max speed of the F-35 is given at M1.6 (with weapons). If you look at the performance charts of the F-18E, it can only do ~m1.4 when loaded with 4 missiles.

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I hope you are not claiming that somehow a generalistic journal had access to the actual test data of the JDASF and on top of that, the line of “Operability/Maneuverability” in that chart is related to flight performance, because if you are…

uh welcome to last week
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1812682&postcount=49

and its not a little birdie, its the size of an F-16 but with the weight of an F-15

The size of a Typhoon and the weight of a Phantom, thats more like it.

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AIR International, 2011, Oct

MAKS 2011：

* RVV-BD：
1. The newest derivative of K-73／K-73M family that can be used by Su-35 and MIG-35.
2. Missile weight: 510 kg.
3. Warhead weight: 60 kg.
4. Effective range: up to 200 km for the large-sized and lowly-maneuverable target.
5. Effective intercepting altitude: from 15 m to 25,000 m.
6. Effective to intercept the target with up to 8g maneuverability.
7. 9B-1103M-350 Shayba X and Ku band seeker with +/-60 degrees scanning angle.
8. Locking the RCS = 5m2 target at the range of more than 40 km away.

* RVV-SD（K-77-1）：missile weight 190 kg and effective range 110 km

* RVV-MD（K-74M）：missile weight 106 kg and effective range 0.3 ~ 40 km.

* The ramjet powered R-77M (Meteor-ski) and the K-74M2 shall be ready for entering service at the time of 2014~2015.

* The real next generation Russian BVRAAM and WVRAAM that are designed for the internal carriage of PAK-FA are at the beginning stage of R&D.

Some very strange information in there.
When you say “The newest derivative of K-73／K-73M family” i imagine that you are actually refering to the K37M not the Vympel K-73.

“The ramjet powered R-77M (Meteor-ski) and the K-74M2 shall be ready for entering service at the time of 2014~2015.”

There are an awfull lot of reports that the “K-77M (Izdeliye 180)” its not a ramjet AAM.
Acording to Pyotr Butowski: “The most visible change in the Izdeliye 180’s external appearance compared to the R-77/RVV-AE is replacement of its latticework fins by more common flat aerodynamic control planes. This reduces aerodynamic drag and cuts down on the radar cross-section. The missile will be fitted with a modernized active radar seeker and new double pulse solid-propellant engine.”

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