Sintra@Sintra :
http://www.ommic.com/FS/FS_corp_main.htm
http://www.ommic.com/data/circuits/design_kits.htm
and :
http://www.microwave-components.co.uk/index.php?webpage=gaas_foundryReady to serve , Sir 🙂
Cheers .
The problem is that OMMIC its not part of UMS.
And the MMICS used by THALES are (obviously) from UMS. And the UMS Gaas production plant is in Germany (thats public, its even on their site).
Have you any evidence that Thales instead of using their own foundry (!) decided to buy thousands of components to OMMIC?
SintraWhat do you know Sintra ? Tell me , what do you fu**ing know ??
I am not saying that the Thalès guy is right but excuse me , you go way too far while you know jack . 😡
To me , it ‘s on the verge of trolling .Sorry for this rather long and off topic post but I had to .
Back on rail now 🙂
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BW, what do i know? Not much, that i will admit it, but in this particular case (by reading a bit for the last three decades) i am aware that the likes of Raytheon and Northrop are ahead of the entire world in developing/testing and fielding AESA chips in almost every conceivable military aplication by virtue off massive budgets and orders from the Pentagon, so yes, i find a bit ridiculous that in this particular case someone claiming that THALES is ahead of the development curve FIVE years in relation to the americans.
About learning, thats all very well and nice, but you have an awfull habit of making some wild assumptions on subjects that you clearly dont know much, and thats annoying, that crossed with a nationalistic bias that would make Napoleon proud deny the respect that a very interested people like you obvious are, would benefit…
Sometimes you make very valid points and write very interesting texts, and almost every time you blew it with a “FRANCEISDABESTPERIOD” syndrome.
About Trolling, thats a highly interesting observation coming from someone who has just described one of the best members in this forúm has having “small testicles”!
Classy…
SintraIn some (many I should say) important fields , yes they are , in others not .
Also , since the French MMICs (GaAs and GaN) are made in France by UMS S.A.S France (Orsay plant) under Thalès survey , the British (and others like Selex) have very little idea of what the RBE2-AA is made of .
What UMS Germany is doing for the Captor-E is a different matter .We do it by ouselves in our factories , as usual . Now , you know . :diablo:
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Goodness Gracious
You´ve just invented…
The Gaas MMICS of UMS are made in GERMANY, the Orsay center is a design and test center.
SintraThese are small programmes, they aren’t the cornerstone of French industrial military aviation! Rafale ~290 aircraft. Neuron ~1 or 2. The costs, national pride and workshare implications are simply not comparable.
Jaguar, Transall C-160, Airbus A-400M, Eurocopter Tiger, Eurocopter NH-90, Alpha Jet, etc, etc, etc… Airbus, MBDA, Eurocopter, UMS, EADS, etc, etc, etc… Do i really need to go on?
SintraIt depends if the French are going to let others do the big jobs too, or just try to keep all the key technologies and design work within France. If there is no progress on that, then I can’t see anyone wanting to work with them.
Dont extrapolate the Eurofighter story to the rest of multi national programs in wich they´ve participated, severall times they have been perfectly happy to take a back seat, think of the MBDA Meteor, the Telemos, etc.
SintraIn fact, I find the book too old.
Lake is just fine when he talks about Typhoon, AFAIR.
Am I the only one to have put BW in my ignore list ?
Yes, its a bit dated, but the only alternative book that i know is in German…
And while i agree that you (and Eagle1, Kovy, etc) dont need to read it (you have too much knowledge and more importantly, common sense) but there are a few chaps who should read it IF they are truly interested in the program (in oposition to being interested in rubishing the program).
About Lake and the Typhoon, in my opinion he is probably the most well informed defense journo on this program, i think that in this particular case he combines work with being a “fan”.
Slightly off topic, i´ve recently seen in PPRUNE a certain “Jnicko” (i am not saying that he´s a certain JLake, mind you :D) praising the Rafale program to heavens (truly) and them making a direct comparison with another multi national Euro canard that would make the likes of Thunder/Fonck/Sampaix proud, he lambasted the consortium, the four partners and the British MOD in great style!
About BW, the ignore buttom only works when you are logged…
SintraThales Brings Consistency to Rafale Radar
http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/paris-2011-thales-brings-consistency-to-rafale-radar-30149/Really ????????
Sweet Jesus, were did Thales find this guy?!
Thats so outrageous that its the type of bull*** that someones expects in a forum, not in a corporate news press release!
SintraWell there’s that country due South that managed to put out a decent aircraft on a reasonable budget…
…and, well, Concorde.
The exact same country that went “multinational” for every aerospace project after that “decent aircraft on a reasonable budget”?
mupp is correct, either the European countries work together or they will buy USA inc forever and ever.
And for all “Camel” trash talk, its amazing that there´s a wealth of decent kit out there that was designed by “Europe multi plc”, from the Jaguar, the Tornado, the Transall, the Alpha Jet to the “cold war, blah, blah, blah, wiskas saquetas” Typhoon (who by the way is doing is bloody job over half of Europe and Libia).
The Panavia/Eurofighter consortium might not be the best way of doing things? Completely agree on that one, Europe still has to work for a better “technical frame” but for the all the “naysayers” take a real good look at whats actually in the sqn´s (throw MBDA in the lot).
SintraThe Typhoon does indeed propose courses of action with the DASS the missile approach warners give the pilot automatic queues to avoid the missile showing a vector and countdown to execute that vector to best avoid the incoming, meanwhile the Flares or Chaff/Jaff will be popping off at the most appropriate intervals without the pilots involvement, he can of course pop a few off if he feels the need ( I would be pooping a few off if there was a missle inbound :D)Also if there is a detection of a radar the Typhoon will advise which course to fly, and show the aspect which is the least ‘reflective’ to the emitter
Correct, and more to the point, that information was publicly available a decade ago. If someone was following the FEFA/EFA/Eurofighter program with any type of interest from “the start” it would be aware of that.
If any of our French (or any other nationality) coleagues wants to have an idea of how the Typhoon works they could do worst than reading this book:
http://www.whitcoulls.co.nz/book/ef2000-eurofighter/9696330/
Its simple, small and instructive. Off course, the name of the author might make “goose bumps” on some…
Cheers
SintraThe fact of the matter is that the rafale is just a supped up tornado. Apart from the tornado does not have a magic stealth cloak
I actually do believe that the Tornado Fmk3 HAS a klingon active stealth “thingy” and his far superior to the SPAD XIII and to Startreak Enterprise in every conceivable mission.
Faith is everything.
Sintraand was relevant enough that it was published as a positive feature in a public domain journal….
to an extent you have to ask the older contributors amongst us, when they remember reading about radar reduction features…
mrmalaya
By the late seventies. But a quick scan in the flight global historical files will show that they were raving about the De Haviland Mosquito “stealth” (being made out of wood, etc) by the late fourties.
This is an attack aircraft that looks like a Hawk is it?
There´s an awfull lot of this design in the AMX International, in many ways the litle Italian/brasilian attack aircraft its a direct “son” of the SAAB design.
Cheers
SintraToan
See post 31.
Cheers
Sintra.
Now be quiet or when the Typhoon thread gets closed I will made one with a very silly name and you will be stuck with it for 30+ pages! :dev2:
Nic
LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL 😀
SintraExcellent news for Eurofighter now that the Register is reporting this any lingering interest or concern that it might have happened will evaporate.
Correct.
If (a very big IF) Eurofighter GMBH lands the contract with the Indian Air Force i am very curious how Lewis Page is going to spin that one out.
I can imagine “The Eurofighter that incredible piece of very expensive shi… just beat head on every “medium” combat aircraft in the planet with the exception of the F35 and the J10 in the most contested export deal for the last two decades, this only proves that the Typhoon is a very big piece of very expensive sh… and the RAF should have bought whatever the Americans are using in their Aircraft Carriers”.
SintraI doubt that a CAPTOR GaN antenna could be available in 2015 for the indian competition. I guess the manufacturer would have heavily advertised this feature along with the repositionner asset. I believe it is too early to draw conclusions from a single article. It could still be true but it seems unlikely and need to be confirmed.
Besides “ultimate” is vague and could mean a more distant horizon like when the eauropean nation will get an AESA radar in a future midlife upgrade which would be more realistic.
Even the F35 doesn’t feature a GaN antenna so considering US experience I tend to think it is a bit early to see operational GaN antenna in a few years time frame. Hopefully the next Paris airshow will provide additionnal informations.
It is not the first time every one speculate and get excited on a basis of partial information (it is a normal behaviour for air enthusiast as we are). That being said I would stay cautious on the early fieding of this technology.
Couldn´t agree more.
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