Thales was contracted for the Demo not the NG, and my understanding is that the reason was that the US did not allow export of AESA technology to Saab…
I believe (as do others) that the reason for this US export restriction is simply to make it harder for Gripen to win competitions perhaps in particular the Norwegian competition (F-35 vs Gripen). It’s just 48 a/c however the signal effect could be there since it would be the first partner to drop out and go for a cheap 4.gen instead of the F-35.
I expect that if Gripen NG wins a contract the export restriction will be lifted and e.g. Raytheon equipment will enter the Gripen. Raytheon would not like to lose the Gripen NG contract to Thales… and they would work hard to convince the US authorities how stupid it would be to not allow US export to NATO country Norway (or Brazil, given that SH with US AESA is already in the tender). If for some reason the US refuse to export AESA tech to Saab also after Gripen has won a contract well then in that case Saab will be forced to use non-US tech however I don’t think that will happen. Although I could be wrong.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/892donqz.asp?pg=2
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Loke
That article his wrong. The first prototype of a Gripen AESA radar, the NORA III, was flown in Sweden twelve months ago (in a C-130). It mated the PS/05 back end with a Raytheon AESA antena…

http://www.janes.com/info/idr/articles/grippen-secures.html
This latest iteration of a Gripen AESA radar has seen Thales competing with Selex, Raytheon and Northrop. The French company was selected by undisclosed reason´s, but it´s highly doubtful that it would have been chosen if it was, somehow, “inferior” by a significant degree.
I can imagine that Northrop-Grumman received a “bit” (being humorous here) of pressure from the JSF Team, LM and even the Pentagon, but Raytheon was proposing the “Raytheon Next Generation Radar” (RANGR) for the NG and has a upgrade to users of the Gripen A/B/C/D.
Cheers 🙂
Really?
Are you sure about that?
I have to confess I do not know how many US components the Typhoon contains, however the reason why I made that remark is to be found in misc. news releases, like this one (towards the end):
So the US could block sales of Rafale as well? Something does not add up here… Any of the experts on this forum who could clarify?
1. Are there more US components in the Typhoon than what Sintra claims?
2. Or is the GPS receiver really enough to let the US block sales?
3. Or are the news reports on the US blocking Typhoon sales to Saudi incorrect?
Or did I miss something else?
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The “blocking items” where related to the GPS and the MIDS-LVT(Link 16). The problem had more to do with “intelectual rights” and software than physical hardware.
And the reports were a “bit” overblown, something that the UK press his good…
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So Typhoon’s Manuverability is better than flankers??
Yes, at supersonic speeds, and on a massive scale…
Commercialy speaking, it’s not a flop.
From a technical aspect, it’s nearly a total failure.
Yes, a technical flop capable of mach 1,5 without afterburners, or 6 g´s at mach 1.6 without loosing speed…
That coupled with a bloody good radar and a very decent EW suite.
A flop…
Must get a bottle of whatever you´ve been drinking.
Like Gripen it contains US components
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Gosh
For the Typhoon count the GPS receiver, part of the MIDS-LVT, and that´s about all.
The exact same US components that you can find in the… RAFALE.
Tmor
It´s public that the Eurofighter Consortium his offering an AESA set for India and for the last 24 Saudi Typhoons…
Probably A&C got a “leak” for part of the Typhoon T3 discussions/proposal´s but i would be very surprised if somehow they had been granted full access, it´s not the first time that A&C (a very fine magazine by the way) got a bit “confused” about the Eurofighter program. The T3 proposal´s are being discussed has we speak, so it´s highly unlikely that a “basic” configuration (whatever that his) had been agreed in JUNE!!
But that description could very well be a 2012 Typhoon.
Another thing, do you know what has happened to Science et Vie (“magnifique”) Hors Serie about aviation?
Every two years, in june, Science et Vie launched a magazine “Hors Serie” called “Aviation”, i had every single number from 1984 untill now, this year it disapeared!
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What makes 11.5 metric tonnes the “magic number” for the weight of the F-35 not to be a problem?
Better warn LM then, they were quoting 13 ton´s a few days ago in a presentation for the Portuguese Air Force…
It’s likely that the requirement for large weapon bays introduced the opportunity for a large amount of internal fuel. Take your traditional fuselage and stick two big envelopes on the outside of it (that will end up being your weapons bays). Now you’ve got to smooth those into the fuselage and you’re not just going to use a big hunk of clay to do that, instead you’re going to stretch those transitions out as much as possible and that’s going to either give you a lot of empty space or places to stuff fuel. (No, I don’t think there’s a traditional fuselage’s sectional area between the bays but you get the idea.) The smart move is to use it for fuel, which is what they did. As for supercruise faster than the Typhoon or Rafale who said such a thing? Personally I’m still inclined to the idea that the weird shape is for clearance, be it for the landing gear, weapons ejection or whatever. I seem to recall someone who knew mentioning that over on F-16.net but I don’t feel like hunting down the exchange at the moment.
No, the huge internal fuel fraction was no design “accident”, it was a cross between RCS and range specifications.
Also interesting is the fact that the EF-2000 is not being considered. Anyone know why? Was it not offered, or was it outside the price range?
A mix between price range and lack of political ties, something that the Dassault Rafale has a lot in Lula´s entourage.
Anyone know whether it was the F-16 or the F-35 that LM put forward? I’ve seen both, but would imagine it was the F-16. If the F-16, anyone have any idea on Block?
It was a derivation of the F-16 Block 60, almost identical to the “Indian” Viper.
It’s a typo, it’s in fact EPW II, not III.
Thanks for the correction.
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Enhanced Paveway II not III and the GPS capability can already be used. So far the pilot has to manually enter the coordinates himself when he wants to engage targets of oppotunity.
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Wing Commander Gavin Parker, Officer Commanding XI Squadron, said that during pre-exercise training at Davis Monthan Air Force Base, Arizona, his squadron worked closely with 17 (Reserve) Squadron, the Typhoon Operational Evaluation Unit, also based at RAF Coningsby, and over a two-week period dropped a total of 67 munitions, comprising 43 Paveway II bombs, eight enhanced Paveway IIIs and 16 1,000 lb (454kg) free fall weapons. He said:
I am aware that the GPS coordinates can be manualy inserted (let´s call it an “austere capability”) but the automatic targeting option isn´t available yet, that was what i was refering to.
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The German Defence Budget for next year already has alocated money for the AESA radar… IOC for 2012 (at least in the document, optimistic these Germans!).
The Germans also contributed with a good part of the money to the CAESAR demonstration phase, and by every acount the Luftwaffe his adamant in getting an AESA set.
Until the Tranche 3 contract his signed we are not going to have a clear view of the Typhoon development spiral, so…
And i would be bloody surprised if the RAF takes five years to use the GPS capability of the Enhanced Paveway III that the Typhoon has already droped!
Cheers
Look at the last paragraph.
This must be a printing error!? To even consider to “abolish or drastically reduce purchases of F-35A” is — well, rather drastic.
Is flightglobal.com a reputable source?
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Yes, right up there with Aviation Week, Key Publishing magazines and Janes.
Sweet Jesus 😮
How much this beast his going to cost?!
The RN cant get the money to keep “pumping” Daring´s and now the “Key Publishing Naval Comitee” proposes something like the “love child” of the “Vinnie” and the “Zumwalt”?! And that with a ASW capability “one up” over a Type-23!!!
This kind of exercise MUST have a cost factor, if not it´s just a “I want EVERYTHING” Design that would make a CVF “cheap” by comparison.
“B”
The T45 are there for the AAD mission, if they are not enough, buy more of them…