I know. Even with this lame percentage the HARM still did the job, by forcing the Serbs to turn off the radards. Nevertheless, hitting a fixed ground target it’s a piece of cake vs. attempting to hit a target flying high ( 10,000m) with 0.9 M at 300 km.

With all due respect, I disagree. The newest RWR on the basic SH is the ALR 67 (V)4. It’s a full digital one, probably the best in its class (the same technology is in the ALR 69 (V)A presently installed on the F 16 blk 40/50). However, it still not produce the range. For this you need either internal ESM found on dedicated A/C (F 18G) or poded version (F 16 CJ+Harm Trageting System); equally two ALR 67, as well as 69 will be able in the near future to triangulate the position of the enemy radar (airborne or ground) using these advanced RWRs and Link 16. Aside the F 22 the only fighter that is officially known to be able to measure the range is the F16 blk. 60 for UAE.

Actually NO

Both Eurofighter GMBH and, specially, Dassault have claimed that they have that capability for years.
Has a matter of fact there´s a very big text in the Greek “Diplomacy and Defense” (or something like that) of an exercise in 2006 in wich the Greek pilots flying Block50+ Viper´s mentioned, several times, that the Rafales M were picking AND TARGETING them on a RWR passive mode using Spectra. One of them (HAF pilot) mentioned a detection range of 200 km´s…
The RAFALE has been fielding a very precise RWR in the air to air mode for several years, and i would be very, very cautious in claiming any superiority of the ALR 67 (V)4 over the European systems…

Cheers 🙂

Funny tough, while the USAF has been more than villing to share the raptor’s score on all other fighters, still nothing about the EF.

:confused:

What about “Sky Lance 2007”.
Raf Station Commander Atha was very clear about a exchange ratio of 49-1…

I’d be astonished if by NOW they hadn’t BUT I can’t imagine someone with the kind of clearance to be involved in developing/countering F-22/stealth tactics would spill the beans.

Exactly 😉

So the one official quote says:

“”If you want to say that stealth is a determining factor then Typhoon stands second to the F-22. But I think that as we do more work, the Typhoon will more than hold its own. It’s the balance of how you use it, rather than what it is.””

Don’t see anything in there that says anything about F-22 pilots crying “uncle”.

And? :confused:

It must be me… Did i ever said that some Raptor pilot cried “uncle”?!!!!!!
What i´ve pointed out his that something happened, and being honest i dont believe for a second that IF something (DACT) DID happen it was a chance encounter. It was planed by the two Air Forces.
And if so, it´s dificult to say “it didn´t happened because Dozer”…
Now, i´m not a proud member, card user, of that famous club the “PHOON smashed the RAPTOR in BLALALALALLHAAAH because some journo in Air Power Review said so”…

So, all CEO from LM, Bae and Dassault are in jail now ? 😀

Receiving medals, more likely… 😀

And has some journo put it, the line between “corruption” and “comission” is timing…

Some of the best and most entertaining articles that crossed my eyes were written by Roy Braybrook in Air International, talking about the “old good day´s” when he sold “death and destruction” in the form of Harriers and other metal “cans”. There are some very funny stories about “comissions” in those old texts…

Cheers

Austria was won because Saab goofed up, not because the Typhoon had capabilities that Austria needed that the Gripen could’nt offer. even then, it came very close to being cancelled.
as for Riyadh, that was a completely political choice and based on Saudi Arabia’s scam and kickback ridden defence procurements, hardly surprising..to threaten another nation (UK) to stop an inquiry into kickbacks or they’d scuttle the deal is rarely seen anywhere, but thats what the Saudis did- goes to show what one needed to be able to sell stuff to the Saudis and Al-Yamamah set the foundation for that..Flex has posted in depth on what kinds of things BAe did to please the princes of Saudi Arabia. :rolleyes:

The fact that Gripen went to Austria too sure of himself doesn´t compromise that it was an open competition, the Eurofighter beat off four competing offers, Dassault, Lock Mart, Gripen and a second hand Viper deal proposed by Holland and Belgium.
And about bribes, double standards,etc, etc, etc, american firms bribed Japanese Ministers, Dutch Princes, Australian political members, etc, etc, the French bribed in almost every competition that they´ve entered, and the same aplies to the Russian´s…
It´s the arm´s industry, it´s not a boy scout´s contest.

The split in the F-35 order has to do with production realities. Clearly, everyone won’t get there full complement all at one time. Otherwise, smaller partners would wait decades before getting any aircraft. While, the US and UK will get the majority at first and in greater numbers. The other partners great and small will have to be worked in. As for Tranche 3 Typhoons there has been talk for many years that it would likely be cancelled and only time will tell. From what I read its being hotly debated in parliament as we speak! Personally, I hope not as its a valuble asset and provide many jobs to the UK and Europe as a whole…………..

It´s a pork barrel debate, the Tranche 3 his being negotiated RIGHT now, that includes the price… If you remember the year before the signing of the contract of the Tranche 2, it was exacly the same. They can debate all they want in parliament, but the reality his that the UK isn´t prepared to leave the Eurofighter consortiun, and pay the penalties. The only way of getting out of that contract his to get a deal with the other three partner´s AND EUROFIGHTER GMBH… Not going to happen. At least part of the T3 planes are going to arrive to a RAF Base one day (might not be all).
And the split buy of the F35 has nothing to do with “production realities” and everything to do with the “spending holliday” that sudendly the Saudi deal has opened on the “Tiffie” delivery times for the RAF… 😉 (the delivery schedule for part of the “PHOON´s” T3 went to the…right, and that fit´s nicely between the two tranches of F35, but maybe i´m just getting paranoid 😀 )

Cheers 😉

Also, its a very good bet that the UK will cut the last batch of Typhoon’s to save money for CVF’s and F-35’s. (if it doesn’t job would be the likely reason.)

Almost impossible

The contractual penalties are huge (and we can´t forget that those draconian measures were demanded by Great Britain in case of Germany getting ideas).
The fact that the British F35B(C?) buy has been split in two with a very big time gap between the two, his a clear indication that the MOD his doing the utmost to liberate funds to that T3 order.