Hi guys.

No flame intended here but I know E-F Typhoon took part in Red Flag with F-35 participation.

According to sources, all 4/4.5 gen fighters suffered from the presence of F-35 (I was expecting that to happen to be honest) not a word on Rafale oe F-16/F-15 topics/forums, so I was wondering is any of you had some insight as to how Typhoon did perform during the event?

Thanks in advance.

The only thing that we know is that both aircrafts were in the Blue Team

The above list may be incomplete. No list of participating units was published.

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I guess that setles it then…
Quite sure that you do have access to the specifications of the AN/APG-83 and whatever the Chinese have stuck in the J-10C nose, right? Nevermind their respective EW suites, their data link capability, the IRST. and so on. Do we even know the exact engine that they are sticking in the J-10C?

How are J-10C and the lastest version of F-16 compare?
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There´s no public available data to make a meaningful comparison beyond something like “they should be roughly on par”.

So once Finland has satisfied the niceties of a procurement competition which block of F-35 do people think Finland will start taking deliveries from?

2025?
This particular competition seems like a foregone conclusion, unless something spetacularly strange happens, its an F-35A win.
With Russia right next to its door, a decently sized budget, no indigenous product and no particular political problem with any of the five contestants, the Fins are (almost certainly) going to acquire the most advanced option, and with their timeline, any teething problems with “Dave” will be long gone.

2035? its many years….

2025-2027 it is dates more reasonable for to replace harriers.

https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-vida-…3_noticia.html

In 2020 USA tells good bye to its Harrier fleet, and Spain depend of Usa for get spares for its fleet. So, it will be a problem from 2020 and forward. I dont think Spain will can to operate harriers more beyond from 2025.

Spain needs get decition on F-35B maybe next year, and do not wait more, because need 3-4 years for get first units.

Honestly, dont remember where i´ve seen 2034, might have mixed it with 2024, that was the old out of date for the Armada Harriers, but this fairly is recent, it points to 2030:

https://abcblogs.abc.es/tierra-mar-a…2A9FEF9D2.jpeg

And Spain does not have a replacement program for the Harrier, there´s no program going. There´s one for part of the Hornet fleet, almost certainly another batch of Typhoon´s, another for the C101 replacement, and the SCAF, there´s nothing else.

now im curious if German have its own vision on what’s look alike. Or maybe it’s the one in Airbus Video.

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Mind you, this was “designed” around the specifications for a Tornado replacement.

The engine would probably “hybrid” between whatever German learns with EJ-2000 and French M-88.

Clean sheet

You can’t use DSCA notifications of FMS to calculate weapon system costs as has been discussed here many times. First, they are estimates, and second they include support, training, and logistics costs. Not to mention non-recurring expenses associated with a new operator or new version.

Hold on, I’ll post the justification book costs for the Aim-120D

The justification book/ “weapon system costs” are pretty irrelevant in this particular context, no European nation has an identical metric. And i wasnt trying to calculate “weapon system costs” (1.536 Million US FY2019). We were discussing the use of AIM-120 in Eurofighter Typhoon´s, more specificaly on airframes that belong to the original MBDA Meteor partners. I would say that past FMS letters are much more relevant for this particular scenario,

Better initial acceleration, seeker, ECCM, etc

Wishful thinking i see Spud…
There´s nill, zero, nada, nyet, absolutely nothing on the public domain that you can present to backup that particular assesment of yours.

The UK ordered 200 of the newer AIM-120Ds last year.

https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale…missile-amraam

Read what i´ve wrote, the UK and Germany are not going to buy new batches of AIM120´s… Thats future, not past. And the “D´s” are for Dave, not Phoon.