Belgium RFP:
http://www.vandeput.fgov.be/sites/default/files/articles/Request%20for%20Government%20Proposal_0.pdf
Have a look at those scenarios in Annex C….
executing those missions with no AWACs, no jammer support, only a 4-ship….
I wonder why Saab, Boeing and Eurofighter bother to participate in this competition.
I hope Belgium will do as the Danes; publish high-level summaries. If memory serves, Typhoon and SH were roughly in the same ballpark (both having some weak and strong points), with the F-35 doing significantly better in the most demanding missions.
What I wonder about is where the Rafale F4 will be compared to the SH/Typhoon, and compared to the F-35…
On verra.
Edit: The scenarios are quite interesting — how would people on this board address them? Any takers? 🙂
Taking into acount that the Belgians dont have AWACS and no jammer suport I think its normal that the scenarios also dont have them, they also didnt scripted the amunitions to be used in each scenario, this in itself speaks volumes.
All in all, it seems a very decent doc.
Kudos to the Belgian Air Force for that.
Impressive, good to see that they are actually taking this seriously! What we see are some Avery realistic scenarios for 2030-35 which is exactly what should be considered.
Mmmm, those scenarios (and I agree that they are realistic) look more like 2018 than 2035, from all the “red forces” hardware described in the doc, the only one wich is not (maybe) operational today is the J16, the rest its all in active duty.
One thing that caught my eye was that the first one might has well be called “Putin goes rogue in the Baltics next year”.
Hi Sintra, if this story is legit, then it is the latest information available.
What is the latest information about Japanese planning other than these future concepts from a few years ago? I mean no one has any idea what the RAF Typhoon replacement is being planned around, so its anyone guess. I can bet that the interdiction of aircraft at range is right up their for both sides. Using lots of power to get there and fight (with directed energy) will make the aircraft large won’t it? How big would Typhoon have been with that many missiles housed internally?
It’s early days, but Typhoon has to be replaced by something of a similar calibre and that will not be the F35, so either its a case of buying into FA-XX and killing your domestic industry (in both Japan and Britain), or build a new aircraft around the new missile you are already developing together (for example).
A Typhoon, with internal bays for six/eight aam’s, with equivalent range, and a LO airframe, well, its called a “Raptor” 🙂
Can the British MOD fund in meaningfull numbers such a beast?
Cheers
The political winds are changing. Germany and Russia are going to ease sanctions on each other rather soon and I don’t think Russia will do anything to compromise a new detente with Germany or Europe. As this new detente emerges, the political priority for defense spending on things like fighters will not exist.
Merkel turning toward Moscow? Bavaria’s governor leads huge German delegation to Russia
http://theduran.com/merkel-bavarias-governor-meets-putin-moscow/Besides French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen’s surprise meeting with Vladimir Putin today, another important meeting between German leaders and Russia’s president happened last week, but has gone almost unreported outside German media.
Bavarian governor Horst Seehofer, who holds a powerful position in German politics, visited Moscow on March 16th, bringing with him a massive delegation of German political and business leaders.
The Duran?! Next a Sputnik article…
Berlin will ease the sactions when the UE eases its sanctions, and taking into acount that the European leader who pretty much imposed its will on that particular matter is called Angela Merkel…
Not going to happen soon, unless the entire Ukranian imbroglio is resolved, and that includes Crimea, and by “resolved” i dont mean a Western European “Kow Tow” to Moscow.
Isn’t it funny how every European government these days do what’s best for everyone but their own people?
You have some very weirdo ideas…
Just a reminder of what Japan is looking at:
I would see the TF-X as Britain having a finger in more than one aviation pie, rather than being a route to a Typhoon replacement. The Japanese are in a very similar position to the British in terms of military requirement, and need to support an defence aviation sector that has a great pedigree but needs a future of its own.
This has to be high end.
I really dont believe that the Japanese and British requirements for a future manned fighter would be identical, while they would be an “high end” design without a doubt, the Japanese designs for their new aircraft are a mit bigger than a Raptor.
Well swivelling plate works for Typhoon when you are trying to repurpose that big nose. Whether that is the answer in the age of distributed arrays is a different matter. There is a fair chance this aircraft could be tailless (BAE have a lot of experience here and the Japanese have pondered it themselves).
The basic design for the Mitsubishi I3 seems to be pretty much frozen, i doubt that the Japanese MOD will deviate alot from that and i also doubt that the British will want such a big beast. Its an interesting story and i can believe that the Jap and Brit MOD and respective main companies will share quite a bit of information, and some technology blocks can be made together, but an entire new airframe? Doubt it (but delighted if wrong).
I disagree on the last point — even if they go to 2% by 2024 they will still need a partner. Defence is horribly expensive these days, and they need to spend money on the navy and land forces in addition to the air force. On top of that, developing a 5. gen fighter is horribly expensive.
They will need partners.
2% German GDP its a 77 billion US$ budget a year, its a bleeding huge pile of cash unless you are called “USA” or “China”. While i agree that its much better for them to have partners, if we compare that with the Japanese and South Korean defense budget and they are pressing ahead with their projects… At least its feasible.
Indeed interesting.
Another European country that may also start to look at developing a new fighter is of course Germany — unless they change their minds and go for the F-35. However I doubt it, the urge to keep the industry going is probably going to be too strong. I wonder who they will team up with? Sweden and France perhaps?
They´ll team with anyone in Europe who doesnt buy American or Russian. The Germans in a pinch (read Putin goes semi berserk in Ukraine or something like that) might go for the F-35A for part of their fleet, but they wont kill their own industry and they´ll go European for the lions share of the Luftwaffe, thats policy, its written and no one wich has a shot at being government in Berlin wants to change. So, that means in the next decade we are going to see “ZeGermans” teaming up with France and/or GB and a few others.
There´s one thing that has not been mentioned, if the German MOD gets its “2% of the GDP” till 2024 has promised… well, they dont need to team with anyone, their defense budget almost doubles, outstriping (by a fair margin) everyone in Europe (yes, everyone).
Spin aside, not having a US prime actually hurts them.
Massively, i think that their chances are pretty much nill, this seems a straight fight between LM and Boeing.
It looks like Leonardo will be withdrawing too.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/raytheon-out-leonardo-drs-touts-lower-cost-t-100
Offcourse they are…
That airforce belongs to a country that is currntly having a very frosty relation to the country those “sukhoi” chaps are from due to its airline shot down over Ukraine remember?
Wich a) didnt stoped the Sukhoi chaps from working with the RMAF and b) that disaster was three years after the RMAF RFP.
Cheers
sell their Typhoons to who?
none of the nations building and operating them will be interested in buying more as they try already to reduce their orders. What’s more, they are T1 aircraft that would need serious upgrade to be brought on par with what they use now. and what country will be interested in fighters that cost an arm to operate? Looks to me they’re stuck with their typhoons for the time being.
No one that operates the Typhoon is “trying” to reduce their orders. Severall years ago, the four original partners have decided to forego tranche T3B, but that was in 2009. The only second hand Phoon offer on the market today, is a handfull (around 12 airframes) of Italian T1´s.