I know we have had this conversation before as well, all I said was that the pentagon and the JPO targets (cost targets, that may or may not be met) include the engine. I provided a quote I could easily dig up from Lt. General Bogdan on what he includes in his target cost and it does include the engine.

Its well known that the Pentagon and the JPO differ in their estimate and target costs with the final cost remains to be seen. The JPO has its own targets based on its own initiatives to get the cost to between $80-$85 Million, thats its internal target that it is aiming for. 2019 is 4 years out so we’ll know soon enough. Your numbers show between a $5 and $ 10 Million difference between the JPO targets and what the Pentagon estimates, lets see where the final numbers are.

True on both comments

Is it so hard to actually figure out that the Air frame and its components and the engines are ordered separately? Is there anything stopping folks from adding the two costs to get ONE SINGLE number? The Pentagon and JPO cost target for the Full production rate blocks is for the engine and the airframe combined and their target is around $80 Million.

“The cost of an F-35A in 2019 will be somewhere between $80 and $85 million, with an engine, with profit, with inflation,” U.S. Air Force Lieutenant General Christopher Bogdan, the Pentagon’s manager of the program, told reporters in Canberra today.

“Old” numbers BIO. That might still be the JPO prediction, but its not certainly the Pentagon one.

The actual (the latest, late February) Pentagon numbers, more precisely the 2019 “Recurring Fly Away Unit Cost” F-35A in then year US$:

Airframe/CFE – 58.657 million US$
CFE Electronics – 17.365 million US$
Engines/Eng ACC(†) – 12.693 million US$
ECO – 1.774 million US$

90.489 million US$ for a “Recurring Fly Away Unit Cost”, in 2019 then year US$, thats the official number of the Pentagon and this number is counting the exact same things that the JPO is.

Page 52 http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-150309-005.pdf

Cheers

A recording capability for Litening 3 was just introduced at SRP12. P2Ea will introduce a common RecceLite & LDP ICD and P2Eb shall improve the integration of and overall capabilities of the Litening 3 wrt recce.

Thanks for the update Scorp

The biggest mil aviation story in town, and not even a whisper from aviation week.
Whats the story behind that?

http://m.aviationweek.com/defense

That story is in aviation week front page.
You were a bit too hasty.

I’m ignoring that fact just like i’m ignoring the fact that F117 meets all definitions of a fifth generation aircraft minus the aesa.

An F-117 doesnt have a radar, doesnt have any datalink capability, it doesnt have almost no sensor with the sole exception of a FLIR/DLIR with is roughly on par with a late 80´s LDP, and it gives its pilots the situational awareness of a deaf, blind Bat.
The only thing in wich an F-117 might “tick the box” vis a vis whatever definition of “Fifth generation FIGHTER” (because a fight generation “aircraft” would be something like a “Tante Ju”) that you might like to choose is Low RCS, the rest nope.

Also I’m not being really serious in ether of my posts.

Ok

A propeler driven medium altitude UAV flying right next to the Russian border on a place choke full of Buks… Talk about a bad idea!

There is no network of IR cameras on Typhoon. You can attach conventional NVG to the helmet and project PIRATE’s FLIR image on the visor, but that’s it.

There was something about doing the same with Litening, but I havea lot of doubts that the RAF “austere” integration went so far.

Chaps, five freaking pages of DAS, DDM NG and megapixels on the “Eurofighter” topic, its enough.
Take this (very) interesting discussion (and yes, its an interesting discussion) to the F-35/Rafale topics, or even better open a new one in the “General Discussion”, were i will gadly join and explain why a Fujifilm X100T is man´s finest invention since sliced bread (and before that, it was Port wine), but take this megapixel discussion somewhere else, or at least drop the word “Praetorian” every two pages…