Why have we heard nothing of Passengers last minute phone calls, after all they must have known that the aircraft was descending. Eight or so minutes to make calls and this time not as the Malaysian aircraft ( over water far off land) but over the South of France. But no calls ?
The descending was not abrupt, fast, but nothing extraordinary and the aircraft went against some pretty high mountains, at the altitude of the crash site there will be clouds bellow. The passengers woud be aware that the aircraft was descending, but they wouldnt be aware of a crash risk right untill the last moment.
Not necessarily.
True, it might happen, might not.
The Eurofigher will be nearing retirement so probably won’t field 2040s tech (an awkward phrase).
Dont bet on it. The first NATO “fighter” to receive an HMD (the good old Marconi Striker) coupled with the latest 180º generation AAM was called… the Jaguar, it also had an LDP and datalink, that was done years before it got canned, the first non American aircraft equiped with a Link 16 was called the Sea Harrier FA2, before it got axed, the Tornado FMK3 was upgraded right untill it got axed, the 16 “diamond standard” fleet RAF GR4 are receiving ugrades now, etc, etc… The RAF upgrades their aircrafts right untill it scraps them.
Will we field technology capable of entirely eroding RCS in that time-frame? Most firms developing fighter aircraft in the world are probably hoping that’s not the case (except perhaps for Saab). Maybe they’d develop some sort of strap-on gadget (an even more awkward phrase) nullifying stealth post-2030?
For the “strap on” kind of arguments try JSR not me.
Now is there any chances that sensor evolution and computing power erode a great big chunk of the tactical advantage that a low RCS gives to the Raptor versus an older generation of aircrafts, more than THIRTY years after it was received by USAF Sqn´s? Is it possible or not? If you say “its not possible”, i have a wonderfull Northrop Gruman video featuring F-35´s stating that agility is a bit irrelevant, something that the General Dynamics 1990 PR chaps would surely disagree.
On top of that we have this Joint Strike Fighter Tier 1 partner with an anti stealth program (reforger) led by this company called British Aerosomething wich happens to build a great big chunk of DAVE, and that partner will field something like five sqn´s of Typhoonsomething, and offcourse that they wont use these three sqn´s of “Davesomething” to model an answer to the latest Russian and Chinese low RCS aircrafts.
And the fact that the RAF was the first NATO air force to field IR seekers linked through L16 across its fleet had nothing to do with their experience with the F-117 and the Raptor and the fact that the US Navy and the USAF agressor units went right after them also doesnt say anything about exercises with the USAF Raptor fleet.
I honestly think that if the USAF didnt believe that the RCS advantage enjoyed by the likes of the Raptor or the JSF wouldnt be seriously compromised by the mid thirties, they wouldnt be looking for a new fighter by that timeframe.
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Simple reasoning.
The F-15 will not be a primary fighter through 2040 as it can count on the combo of F-22/35 for that.
However, the Eurofighter does not have anything else to fall back on.
Off course that by 2040 the only obvious advantage that those two aircrafts have over the Eurofighter on the ATA scenario, RCS, might well be entirely eroded…
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The Brazil Air Force had declared the Su 35M as winner in 2002 in its evaluation FX
No. The FAB FX report was never made public. The Brasilian MOD never stated publicly, officially, semi officially, whatever, any preference for a Sukhoi aircraft.
Just to remember the Su 35M2 on 2002 had been declared the winner of the first competition in Brazil,.
No it wasnt. No Sukhoi aircraf was ever declared winner of any FAB competition, either the FX or the FX2.
I guess maybe the design teams behind the PAK FA, J-20, F-35, J-31, Neuron, X-47, ATD-X, etc, just haven’t gotten the memo yet.
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There was. Even the BL-755 was considered before such weapons were banned. Flight trials with the 1500 l tanks were actually performed using DA3 back then. Concerning ALARM there are/were even some software provisions.
Thanks, didnt knew the bit about Alarm.
More tidbit´s
A) For the British taxpayer the entire cost to develop and acquire the 160 Typhoon´s went from 15.173 billion pounds to 17.545 billion pounds, that almost seems sensible, untill you realise that the original number was for 232 units, blood* shambles…
B) The “austere ATG” solution with the LDP plus P1E and P2E, were 403 million Pounds
C) Meteor integration, 124 million pounds
D) Storm Shadow, 172 million pounds
No word on Brimstone yet
Getting back to Typhoon, i was reading the latest NAO Major Projects report (yeah, strange ocupation) and i´ve noticed this:
“Deletion of
requirements for gun (-£32m), 1500L
fuel tank (-£16m), CRV7 Rocket
(-£2m) & Air Launched Anti Radiation
Missile (-£21m).”
Yep, thats archeology, but once upon a time there was budget provision for the integration of 1500L external tanks, CRV-7 and Alarm´s on RAF Phoon´s.
I can think of four:
1. Weight
2. Power requirements
3. Cooling requirements
4. Cost
1. Weight – Two ~220 kg´s AN/APG-81 on gimbals versus four fixed Elta’s EL/M-2052, hmmm…
2. Power requirements – Two AN/APG-81 versus four Elta’s EL/M-2052, hmmm…
3. Cooling requirements – Ditto
4. Cost – Cost?! Ditto and you´ve just pickaxed the entire JSF “affordability” business case here.
If IAI a (very) small company producing AESA set´s at an insignificant yearly rate can beat Northrop Grumman who is building AN/APG-81´s at huge numbers (for this particular industry) on cost, nevermind the “two versus four” thing, well, my, my… Congratulations to IAI, and i am expecting to seeing IAI´s AESA set´s all over the place in the next decades.
Keep in mind that an APG-81 solution would have exceeded the range requirements so just like every other contract & bid, the contractors taylored the offer to meet the requirement while keeping the cost low enough to win.
The AN/APG-81 would exceed the range requirements?!
I am trying not doubting you here, but have you read an official document stating that? Or have you seen Crowsnest range requirements?
Its that a) i find it extremely strange that the British MOD would ask a range KPP for their AEW system INFERIOR to whats on the nose of its embarked fighter, b) when the Asac7 was delivered, Thales made a video of a Sea King flying over London (the Thames more precisely), and they showed one chap operating one of the consoles, that chap explained what he was doing and they showed what was in the panel display, the guy was controling the air trafic over… Paris (!), thats roughly 400km´s…that Searchwater “thingy” might be a mechanical array, but range, well, that it has, i would be more than a bit surprised that the Crowsnets KPP´s for range would be inferior to whats on today´s Sea Kings. On the “cost” bit i already made my point.
To assume that a company’s 1st attempt at a fighter AESA will overcome a 15 head start in development and operational use is displaying a large amount of hubris, especially considering that budgets are more of a problem for that 1st time company.
I would love to ear the LM pr chaps explaining to the British MOD why they´ve dumped the AN/APG-81 from Crowsnest and are going with poded IAI Elta’s EL/M-2052…
Or you can count them for yourself.
Good job!
Look closely at the 2014 photo, 15*2 + 22*4 + “something”*3 + “something”*7 , etc, etc, for me it seems quite diferent (i´ll admit that the angle of the photo might have something to do with it)
Now the numbers on Toan photo (16*2 + 24*4 + 32*4 + 36*6 + 40*6)*2 = 1,424 T/R modules.
Nope, just going off that photo.
Do you have a more up to date photo?
I edited the text above, it was a bit too agressive for what i´ve meant (my general feel on this one is “freaking long time”).
The most recent that i am aware is this one (Farnborough 2014), its a pretty diferent beast from the one that Toan posted:
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