Last time i´ve checked there´s this thing called “Crowsnest” and i can vividly remember a Video in wich an operator from a certain Asac 7 system describing (from somewhere in South England, maybe yeovilton, but this one i´m not sure) the air space over … Paris.
In your claim of identical amount of amunitions, are you talking tonnage, types, or capabilities? Because, we both know the scope of F-35C’s mission is going to be limited for a decade. F-35C is going to rely on F/A-18E/F for quite some years to carry quite a bit of the burden.
QEII wont have F-35C’s flying of it.
Tonnage, if i remember correctly something near 1000 tons of it.
Quite frankly they would have had the flexibility to operate Rafale, Super Hornets, Sea Typhoon (if developed), Sea Gripen (also if developed), or F-35 in either naval flavor. Plus any other legacy aircraft including E-2 Hawkeyes. The project lead allowed shenanigans to prevent catapults ever being added knowing full well his decisions had consequences. These are not dumb and naive engineers.
PoW and QE II will never be as capable as its French sister ship no matter how one tries to spin the realities.
The boot is arguably on the other foot. QEII will be capable of taking at least a 50% bigger aviation wing, roughly twice the aviation fuel and an identical amount of amunitions. The British ships can deliver more sorties for much longer. On severall importante metrics they are more capable ships.
Spitfire, your estimates on the development cost for the KF-X exceeds various agency’s estimates by a factor of 2.
LM itself estimated that a twin-engined KF-X would cost about $10 billion to develop. The Korea Institute for Defense Analysis estimated a twin-engined KF-X to cost $8.3 billion to develop and a single engined KF-X to cost $6.54 billion to develop.
Well looking at the past performance of a multitude of national agencies (nevermind Lockheed Martin!) in predicting development costs for weapon systems i would say that spit might have estimated a very belivable numbers… 😉
I’ll get me coat
Lockheed Martin has the F35A, F35B and F35C.
Why has the F35B been the preferred choice for the UK Aircraft Carriers and not the F35C – Carrier Variant?
A) Bloody expensive to re-equip QEII and POW with Cats
B) Severall more years to IOC
C) QEII transformed into an almost useless “Helicopter only” gigantic barge till… (almost certainly) forever.
D) (Totaly unofficial, and entirely my opinion) Not a chance in hell that the RAF would have a great big chunk of its pilots tied in deck training
From the horses mouth:
By February 2012, the estimated cost of converting the aircraft carrier for the carrier variant of the JSF, requiring the ship to be fitted with catapults and arrestor gear (‘cats and traps’), had increased by 150 per cent: from £800 million to about £2 billion. As a result, the Department estimated that, over the next ten years, the STOVL option would be £1.2 billion cheaper than the carrier variant. This difference halves to £600 million over 30 years.
Another key factor was that the carrier variant option of the JSF could also not be delivered until 2023, three years later than the planned date of 2020.
The entire report here:
http://www.nao.org.uk/report/carrier-strike-the-2012-reversion-decision/
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I find the latest post very disturbing and unrespectfull. The amount of nonsens posted here will fall back on its own rights.. this thread will most likely get closed. It should get closed!
Agreed, this last page is a disgrace.
“Mein Kampf” insults… For christ sake.
Wasn’t the Enhanced Tactical Fighter the Strike Eagle? Good thing this Blitzfighter got dropped then. 😀 It seems the reformers were totally off base about the F-15.
Yep, and the ideia of going into battle in a subsonic, sensorless, gun only, no pgm’s, missiles, whatever, against the first and second Warpac echelons in germany by the eighties makes the charge of the light brigade look like a very nice plan.
Could this aircraft be a replacement for the A-37 Dragonfly in south America?
I know the super tucano is becoming quite popular but this one is just hitting the scene.
Two South American A-37 operators already field the Super Tucano, including Colômbia, then there’s the fact that the Scorpion is a massive beast by comparison with the Dragonfly, its empty weight almost equals the MTOW of the old “37”, couple that with cash straped airforces and no orders from the Pentagon… It might happen but i wouldnt bet on it.
They could buy Russian… :dev2:
Yep, they dont have the money to fly a 5 ton aircraft, so they would buy an 11 ton aircraft with almost four times the thrust… Not going to happen unless some seismic change in the FAA budget.
To use Storm Shadow, someone else has to provide targeting information. If someone else does the targeting, is Typhoon truly effective in an A2G role?
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Textron AirLand Scorpion makes debut in the UK:
This new US aircraft actually made it to the UK. :applause:
😀
anyone with me?
Discussed to death, Saab and KAI have cornered that market for anyone looking for Western kit, everybody else will look for the JF-17.
The end.
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@ Multirole:
In the times the Mig-21 and Mig-23 have gone against the F-15 they have come out on the short end of the stick. This would be USAF F-15s in the Gulf wars against the Iraqi air force and Israeli F-15s against Syrian Migs in the lop sided Bekka Valley air-to-air fight in 1989. In most of these cases the victories were scored in BVR combat.
During Cope India however the F-15s engaged Indian MiG-21s, Bisons, flown by surprisingly competent IAF pilots. using innovative tactics that surprised and impressed USAF pilots. And during the Red flag exercises it was noted as I mentioned earlier that the Su-30MKI was spotted earlier in the merge leading to WVR tussling which gave the USAF pilots tactical advantage.
Considering that the J-20 is at least as large an aircraft as the Su-30MKI and lacks the TVC of the visually smaller ATD-X it can be surmised that the J-20 may very well enter a WVR dogfight with a disadvantage against its more agile opponent.
And when one takes into account the experience and training of JASDF aircrew it can be argued that the PLAAF may be placed at even greater disadvantage.
The ATD-X is a technological demonstrator, and if anything comes out of it, according to official press releases by the Japanese MOD, it will be a great big aircraft (the “F3”), powered by two “15 Tons” engines, that means something the size of a Raptor/T50.
http://aviationweek.com/awin/japan-aims-launch-f-3-development-2016-17
That’s the question now, which again will cause wild discussions. The one side will again say it is proof for being a development of the Lavi – maybe similar to the F/A-18A that became the Super Hornet F/A-18E (which I would say is overrated) – while others will say this image proves nothing and which might be only from a factory visit during the integration of the Python III (became later the PL-8) to Chinese fighters.
As such I think it simply proved that there was a certain deep relationship between Israel and China, sometimes projects were simply bougth and sometimes they gave advices … sometimes the design was “inspired” and this might sometimes only be a hint to look here or look there to this and that solution.
The problem is simply that still some circles in the USA and Israel to not want to be reminded that Israel has shared any kind of US know-how used for Lavi with China.
Deino
By now i think that there´s enough evidence to point that there´s a “connection” between the two designs, my own personal view (without trying to convince anyone of it) is that the J-10 is what a Lavi would look like if the design team had only the larger/heavier/more powerfull AL-31 available instead of the PW1120.
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NEZ is a volume of space which can be approximated by a sphere originating on the nose of the launching jet.
If an AIM-120C5 had a range of 65km (the diameter of the sphere), three times that NEZ volume would result in Meteor range of 95km.
“Having flight-tested various intercept profiles, MBDA defined the changes required in the next batch of missiles–the preproduction standard. The first of these guided firings (GFs) was from a Gripen in mid-2009 in a snap-down, tail-chase engagement. That tested the seeker against background clutter. Then came five ejector-launched GFs over the Hebrides range in northern Scotland from UK Royal Air Force Tornado F.3 interceptors operated by QinetiQ.
GF2 was a tough test of the missile’s ability to snap-up through thick air in a tail chase. GF3 then tested high-altitude performance, GF4 was a longer snap-down tail chase against background clutter and GF5 was a high-speed head-on engagement at “well in excess of 100 kilometers,” said Bradford. The Meteor’s actual maximum range is classified.“