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    ekratochvil7
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    Thanks! I appreciate that. I honestly know nothing about G. Leonard Phelps other than the name and the no. 538, but you’re right he has to have been someone who knew about armaments to distinguish the torpedo from a bomb. Initially I wondered if perhaps he was in the airforce (british or American), but I can’t find records confirming this. Then another thought crossed my mind, what if G. Leonard Phelps was not the one who collected the contents of that envelope? Thats a possibility too. But I feel like the more I find out about this torpedo, the more I can narrow down my search. I am also still mulling this over and looking over various resources, I’ll let you know what I find.

    in reply to: WW1 German Talc bomb ? #886181
    ekratochvil7
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    Right let’s start again.

    So nobody knows what it look likes or what it actually is?

    Oct 1917. A bomb from a Zeppelin is dropped on the premises of Messrs Harrison Carter in Bull Pond Lane, damaging their engineering,milling chain lubricator Works.
    Allegedly a Mr Worthington Smith, the elderly Dunstable historian two days later picks this fragment up and when he dies the fragment falls into the hands of F. G. Gurney who puts in in an envelope and labels it thus
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    Fragment of talc from the bomb wh. fell s.w. & just outside Dunstable Fri. 19th. Oct. 1917.

    [Mr. Worthington Smith remarked to his housekeeper, when the noise of the earlier & more distant bomb was heard: “I shan’t bother; I shall go to bed”. But indirectly this bomb caused his death, for in spite of a cold wind he insisted upon visiting the hole and sketching

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    and measuring it on the Monday following.

    He caught a severe chill, of wh. he died on Sat. 27 Oct., a loss which I sorely feel.

    Fredk. G. Gurney.>

    Now 98 years later someone wants to know what a talc bomb is, but very reluctant to impart information to help solve the problem it’s like asking a detective to solve a murder without telling him who the victim is.

    Now let’s go back to 1917, now this was the first time any bombs were dropped anywhere in the world, so there would have been very little knowledge of what they were made of or what was left of them, when they had exploded.
    So Mr Worthington Smith, the elderly Dunstable historian would have very scant knowledge of any explosives or engineering matters, potters along to the bomb site picks this discoloured fragment up examines it possible rubs it along the ground or a wall and sees it leaves a white talcum powder like substance takes it home shows it to his housekeeper and tells her it’s part of the Germany bomb.

    Pops his clogs, the house keeper passes it to Mr Gurney who looks at it and it looks like solid talcum powder, so labels it up as Talc. But in doing so he misses of some letters as he seems to have done twice with the word which.

    So what should the word have been, there are several such as Talcking, Talcous or Talcy all mean the same. composed of or resembling Talc.

    Nowadays even the layman can instantly look up the word talc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talc

    Where you will notice
    Soapstone is a metamorphic rock composed predominantly of talc.
    And what is soapstone used for to make
    Engineers French Chalk (also known as Welder’s Chalk and Soapstone) is mainly used for marking Metal & Steel.
    So I suggest that’s actually what’s in the envelope.

    And if that’s not right I will say what mr Smith said

    “I shan’t bother; I shall go to bed”

    Hi all,

    I’m new to the forum and I was wondering if any of you could help with a query I have. I stumbled across this thread while doing some research on an envelope I found in a used book that I got in Paris. The envelope has some handwriting on it “Pieces of lining of zepp torpedo shot at Dunstable on Oct. 19, 1917 about 9:30.” Inside the envelope are what I believe to be pieces of this torpedo lining. Inside the book is a label with a name and a number “G. Leonard Phelps, no. 538”.

    I believe that the torpedo referenced by this envelope is this same torpedo that you all have been discussing. I’m trying to find out who this G. Leonard Phelps was and I’m trying to find out some more about this torpedo. I was wondering if any of you could help me out with information about this torpedo or even recommend sources I could use to try and track down who this man was. I’ve already looked at websites like Ancestry or FindMyPast, to no avail. I also can’t for the life of me find out what “538” means.

    Any information on the torpedo that you guys have would be useful and very appreciated. Thanks!

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