It’s a good mind exercise for debate however in the end it is idiocy. The problem is it is just a mind game. People set up a premise, and make some unrealistic supernatural statement, that sets off a cascade of unrealistic supernatural assumptions.
In the real world a plane would just take off as it would easily overtake any conveyor system that could carry a manned aircraft.
Of course then you could make all sorts of ridiculous assumptions, you could assume it is a super small model airplane.
However most arguments don’t even stay with in reality, they assume the speed of the conveyor is unlimited. In order to assume that part of the system is unlimited then you have to assume everything is unlimited, therefore everything falls apart and nothing makes sense.
It’s a silly scenario.
It is not fair to keep changing the elements. It’s not fair or realistic to assume that the laws of physics apply in part of the scenario but not any other.
It’s not an argument for the sake of physics, it’s an argument for the sake of argument. That is the trick.
“Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.”
I ate three lumps of it. But I spat two of them out, so I really ate one and a half of them,
Too bad his mother wasn’t there to nag him. Eat all of it; there are starving children in china. Don’t play with your food, eat it.
:diablo:
Some Chinese fast food take out.
:dev2:
I ate three lumps of it. But I spat two of them out, so I really ate one and a half of them,
Too bad his mother wasn’t there to nag him. Eat all of it; there are starving children in china. Don’t play with your food, eat it.
:diablo:
Some Chinese fast food take out.
:dev2:
Actually, American highway is unsafer
Aha!
Nice to see that facts do not really touch your opinion.
I never said they weren’t, the fact is that they would be even more dangerous if it wasn’t a requirement that most imports of vehicles to the United States meet US safety standards.
One of the few problems I have with the NAFTA agreement, is I think that trucks entering the United States from Mexico (or any other nation) be required to meet US safety standards. One of my objections is that in Mexico it is not a requirement to have brakes on the front wheels of trucks, thusly there stopping distance is greater and if they have a brake failure there is a greater likelihood of a total loss of braking and an accident.
NAFTA in regards to Mexican and Canadian trucks not meeting US safety standards.
http://www.trucksafety.org/scippa_letter.php
These SUVs are the cars you consider safe?
Did I say anything about SUVs? Once again you have perverted the context of what I was saying.
What was one of the major manufacturers that started the SUV craze in the United States with fancy commercials, could it be Land Rover/Range Rover? So you’re only showing your bigotry and hypocrisy.
The SUVs in the USA are really a big pain in the ***, from pretty much any perspective (safety, costs, environmental impact). Unfortunately, people start buying them here, too. Maybe somebody comes up with a German solution: an additional tax (while SUVs are very budget friendly: taxes on gas, sales tax, motor vehicle tax).
From pretty much any perspective? The fact is that SUVs can be safer if they are in the hands of competent people. The vast majority of the SUV accidents are from incompetence and overly aggressive unsafe selfish driving. People are selfish idiotic nuts, they will risk their lives to try to save a few seconds of travel time.
SUVs budget friendly? Some are and some are not, a lot of it is dependent on how and what the vehicle is being used for and what type of SUV. There is a broad definition of SUV and there’s a broad applications that they can be used for.
I have a SUV that is very budget friendly. It cost less because it didn’t have me to all the requirements for emissions and safety that our regular vehicle would have. However because it is a semi compact pickup truck with a small engine, it gets fairly good fuel economy. It still has foreword airbags and all-wheel antiskid brakes Would a regular car meet my needs, not really. The only way I could get a regular car to meet my needs, is if I also had a trailer. Most small cars could not handle a trailer very well, it would likely tear up the car real quick. Driving a small car with a trailer is probably much more hazardous than driving an SUV. I suspect the extra weight and drag from a trailer would be net increase in fuel consumption that would probably exceed the rate of my pickup truck. Considering that a small car would be more subject to failure hauling a trailer, that would make my only other reasonable choice to use a large industrial truck, since I have to have a reliable vehicle. I really don’t want to spend the money or burn the fuel that is associated with an industrial truck. So actually a small pickup truck SUV is the most practical solution for me.
People have a tendency to overbuy, like some people get four-wheel drive thinking they might needed in snow, when they are often located in a place that only gets so a few days a year, and is particularly disturbing when it is someone that doesn’t even need to drive in the snow, like some stay at home mother whose children has bus service, but she was to be able to drive to the store virtually every day, when more conservative and better planing they could easily use a regular car.
One of the biggest wastes is like I just mentioned people don’t plan and are obsessive-compulsive about shopping. I make a list and only go to the store about once a week. Whereas my mother went to the store virtually every day. Some households could save a lot of time and money and energy with better planing and buying a larger refrigerator/freezer. If you have the urge to buy something often it can wait. And another thing is only buy when you really need or really want instead of just doing compulsive buying. That’s where an incredible amount of waste comes from.
Another thing that is incredibly wasteful is people driving like maniacs; I see people go WOT just to get to the next block when you can clearly see that the light just turned red. So they quickly accelerate to a fairly high-speed just have to stop and wait in a light. I see a similar thing on the highway that is also a safety issue where people will go WOT and ride up into congested traffic in only decelerating when they are about to hit another car. It’s like they are a custom to intimidating other people to pull out of the way by driving like a maniac, however some people are so compulsive maniacs that they will do it even when it is clear that the congestion is so heavy that it is not possible for everyone to move out of the way. Yet they continue to put other people’s lives in danger and excessively burn fuel because they are excessively selfish and have a compulsion. People are nuts. I digress.
The typical SUV that everyone envisions has a tendency to be much more expensive and use more fuel, then a little two wheel drive pickup truck SUV.
A little example of the safe cars:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/297315/suv_roll_over_caught_on_tape/
I promise you will never ever achieve such with a Golf (or comparable), no matter which version.
What’s that supposed to prove? I can’t identify the make and manufacture of the vehicle, it looks a little like it could be an Izuzu or Range Rover.
Regardless of what manufacturer or nationality the vehicle is it probably passed US safety standards, the vehicle clearly handled the rollover well, the driver walked away virtually on injured.
I don’t see any indication that there was a safety problem with the vehicle, the safety problem that seems to have caused the accident is the driver. That type of vehicle has a higher center of gravity, drivers should know the characteristics of their vehicles and drive appropriately.
If you’re trying to imply that the type of SUV shown in the vehicle is dangerous by design; then you could say that Volkswagen is more dangerous for designing their Volkswagen van which can rollover easier. So using your logic I should be a bigot and say that Germans are irresponsible and Volkswagen manufacturers unsafe vehicles and market them to the US.
If you are really so concerned about the safety of rollovers, how come you’re not concerned with the economical three wheeled vehicles that easily rollover? Could it have anything to do with that they are prodominantly manufactured and used in other places besides the US? Once again you show your bias.
some cars get a higher US than EU safety rating, & comparison of exactly what tests are done suggests that the USA lags a little
That doesn’t seem to apply to the buggy style vehicles I am talking about. There are some safety standards in Europe that are higher than the US, for the most part the Autobahn style safety standards exceed US standards.
A scrawny cheap built car can’t carry as much as a good old pickup truck.
I bet this man’s house gets more miles per gallon than your house.
Off-road motorhome.
Off-road sports car.
Actually, American highway is unsafer
Aha!
Nice to see that facts do not really touch your opinion.
I never said they weren’t, the fact is that they would be even more dangerous if it wasn’t a requirement that most imports of vehicles to the United States meet US safety standards.
One of the few problems I have with the NAFTA agreement, is I think that trucks entering the United States from Mexico (or any other nation) be required to meet US safety standards. One of my objections is that in Mexico it is not a requirement to have brakes on the front wheels of trucks, thusly there stopping distance is greater and if they have a brake failure there is a greater likelihood of a total loss of braking and an accident.
NAFTA in regards to Mexican and Canadian trucks not meeting US safety standards.
http://www.trucksafety.org/scippa_letter.php
These SUVs are the cars you consider safe?
Did I say anything about SUVs? Once again you have perverted the context of what I was saying.
What was one of the major manufacturers that started the SUV craze in the United States with fancy commercials, could it be Land Rover/Range Rover? So you’re only showing your bigotry and hypocrisy.
The SUVs in the USA are really a big pain in the ***, from pretty much any perspective (safety, costs, environmental impact). Unfortunately, people start buying them here, too. Maybe somebody comes up with a German solution: an additional tax (while SUVs are very budget friendly: taxes on gas, sales tax, motor vehicle tax).
From pretty much any perspective? The fact is that SUVs can be safer if they are in the hands of competent people. The vast majority of the SUV accidents are from incompetence and overly aggressive unsafe selfish driving. People are selfish idiotic nuts, they will risk their lives to try to save a few seconds of travel time.
SUVs budget friendly? Some are and some are not, a lot of it is dependent on how and what the vehicle is being used for and what type of SUV. There is a broad definition of SUV and there’s a broad applications that they can be used for.
I have a SUV that is very budget friendly. It cost less because it didn’t have me to all the requirements for emissions and safety that our regular vehicle would have. However because it is a semi compact pickup truck with a small engine, it gets fairly good fuel economy. It still has foreword airbags and all-wheel antiskid brakes Would a regular car meet my needs, not really. The only way I could get a regular car to meet my needs, is if I also had a trailer. Most small cars could not handle a trailer very well, it would likely tear up the car real quick. Driving a small car with a trailer is probably much more hazardous than driving an SUV. I suspect the extra weight and drag from a trailer would be net increase in fuel consumption that would probably exceed the rate of my pickup truck. Considering that a small car would be more subject to failure hauling a trailer, that would make my only other reasonable choice to use a large industrial truck, since I have to have a reliable vehicle. I really don’t want to spend the money or burn the fuel that is associated with an industrial truck. So actually a small pickup truck SUV is the most practical solution for me.
People have a tendency to overbuy, like some people get four-wheel drive thinking they might needed in snow, when they are often located in a place that only gets so a few days a year, and is particularly disturbing when it is someone that doesn’t even need to drive in the snow, like some stay at home mother whose children has bus service, but she was to be able to drive to the store virtually every day, when more conservative and better planing they could easily use a regular car.
One of the biggest wastes is like I just mentioned people don’t plan and are obsessive-compulsive about shopping. I make a list and only go to the store about once a week. Whereas my mother went to the store virtually every day. Some households could save a lot of time and money and energy with better planing and buying a larger refrigerator/freezer. If you have the urge to buy something often it can wait. And another thing is only buy when you really need or really want instead of just doing compulsive buying. That’s where an incredible amount of waste comes from.
Another thing that is incredibly wasteful is people driving like maniacs; I see people go WOT just to get to the next block when you can clearly see that the light just turned red. So they quickly accelerate to a fairly high-speed just have to stop and wait in a light. I see a similar thing on the highway that is also a safety issue where people will go WOT and ride up into congested traffic in only decelerating when they are about to hit another car. It’s like they are a custom to intimidating other people to pull out of the way by driving like a maniac, however some people are so compulsive maniacs that they will do it even when it is clear that the congestion is so heavy that it is not possible for everyone to move out of the way. Yet they continue to put other people’s lives in danger and excessively burn fuel because they are excessively selfish and have a compulsion. People are nuts. I digress.
The typical SUV that everyone envisions has a tendency to be much more expensive and use more fuel, then a little two wheel drive pickup truck SUV.
A little example of the safe cars:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/297315/suv_roll_over_caught_on_tape/
I promise you will never ever achieve such with a Golf (or comparable), no matter which version.
What’s that supposed to prove? I can’t identify the make and manufacture of the vehicle, it looks a little like it could be an Izuzu or Range Rover.
Regardless of what manufacturer or nationality the vehicle is it probably passed US safety standards, the vehicle clearly handled the rollover well, the driver walked away virtually on injured.
I don’t see any indication that there was a safety problem with the vehicle, the safety problem that seems to have caused the accident is the driver. That type of vehicle has a higher center of gravity, drivers should know the characteristics of their vehicles and drive appropriately.
If you’re trying to imply that the type of SUV shown in the vehicle is dangerous by design; then you could say that Volkswagen is more dangerous for designing their Volkswagen van which can rollover easier. So using your logic I should be a bigot and say that Germans are irresponsible and Volkswagen manufacturers unsafe vehicles and market them to the US.
If you are really so concerned about the safety of rollovers, how come you’re not concerned with the economical three wheeled vehicles that easily rollover? Could it have anything to do with that they are prodominantly manufactured and used in other places besides the US? Once again you show your bias.
some cars get a higher US than EU safety rating, & comparison of exactly what tests are done suggests that the USA lags a little
That doesn’t seem to apply to the buggy style vehicles I am talking about. There are some safety standards in Europe that are higher than the US, for the most part the Autobahn style safety standards exceed US standards.
A scrawny cheap built car can’t carry as much as a good old pickup truck.
I bet this man’s house gets more miles per gallon than your house.
Off-road motorhome.
Off-road sports car.
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