So do I, my fanboy friend. You trust SAAB lies. I prefer FAB true. I must remark that COPAC intended to favoured Gripen in its report, the same report that established the Swedish plane as “the most limited” bidder…
Cheers
Pepe
please pepe,
SAAB lies now?
they try to prove there case as for every body else, but they dont lie.
Everytime i buy a new tv set or computer i try to get a assembly line into the deal 🙂
i think total offer price with IAF options would the determant.
This will help MIG 35 wouldnt you say? how much?
and also wasnt LCC also considured in L1?
selling drama, is a winning concept and cheap 😀
News is so much harder.
Not that sure Swerve, Thales AESA antenna for gripen was only for the initial phase of the gripen demo and was an exotic mix of gripen mech radar + rafale AESA array.
So it is unlikely that this demo radar was offered to Norway. Ii is pretty clear I think. Unless you can provide a link stating directly otherwise.
Thales radar wasnt installed and wasnt offered.
A performance spec. was, that Thales probably didnt match(due to less elements, area, angle, and smaller volumesearch capability). But thales was the only one that could deliver a prototype frontend in that time for the program to start. Thales also was less giving partner that wanted there own backend and without swashplate(saab design) aka a rafale radar.
the “mech part” as trolling arthuro say, isnt a “mech part”, but the electronics and software in the backend like RC, SP, DP etc. things you need for getting a X TRMs analog signals to get to a track or a SAR image or TILDS video compare features..
Quad,
just stating things to stop possible romours… 🙂
older C/D models being brought to NG standard and not new airframes built from scratch.
What i meant is, those airframes will be upgraded beyond recognition. And will more likely be new frames with som old parts. This means full NG standard.
Its not merely a matter of surviving. The Brazilian prospects do not look good for SAAB, and the amount of fighters thailand can order is small. SAAB will continue to sell Gripen C/D in limited numbers the NG will be offered as an upgrade. But the real NG with airframe changes etc built from scratch may not happen if it fails in India and Brazil.
Again very limited numbers, without interest from Russia or India they are likely to struggle as well.
Dassault and EADS while having strong domestic market, you cannot say that the MRCA won’t make much of a difference.
With American firms you are right MRCA is but a drop in their fortunes. Boeing may still like to sell some Super Hornets before the line closes after USN orders.
Quad, i will asure you Gripen NG will survive India and brazil loss, but not Gripen BR and IN.
Soon Gripen C/D wont be rolling of the assembly line anymore, parts will be out of date. And NG parts is offered instead. Upgrade 21 of SwAF gripens will be “NG”, and will be operational someware between 2013-2018 depending on orders of other nations. Upgrades or not, these are basicly new airframes with some old parts.
in the meantime about 13 prospects are out at the moment for Gripen, so hopefully some of those goes in the right direction for Saab.
Saab isnt all about fighters anyway. its also aboat Radar, EW, Laser, commercial aeronautics, Missiles, civil security, system integration etc.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/
Ok, i will “Try to compare the performance/kinetic penalty of two cruise missiles on the NG compared to Typhoon, rafale or SH for instance)”
you mean this one?
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/13/343778/farnborough-saab-plots-bright-future-for-gripen-programme.html
The size of the gripen is not neutral when you start hanging a weapon load. Its performance (range, kinetics will degrade quicker than for heavier aircrafts).
With that i dont say youre wrong, but there are many factors you dont have to make that judgement. And with a 0,41 fuelfraction, it will have no problems putting those gbu whereever he likes, even tho it need little more thust increase.
Being the smaller and the cheapest doesn’t bring only advantages. Beside most of gripen heavy configurations (SAAB pictures) are not operationally realistic. The Gripen will never haver the punch of a rafale or a superhornet.
SAAB has offered it, and verified some of the heavylift capacity allready, they probably knows what they are doing without your fanboy physics standing in the way..
An heavy load for the gripen is a medium load for most of MMRCA contender
medium load?
How often does Rafale o F18 in real life load more than 7200kg under its wings and body?
F-2 combat range is 1000km..
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20100728.aspx
Is there an air launched version of that ?
According to Wiki
RBS-15 Mk. III
Range 200 km, with land attack capability. There is only a ship launched version. Production started in 2004. New Oval launch tubes instead of the old box type.
All types of Mk 2 standard can be uppgraded to mk 3 standard, Thai and Swe AF have both the older Mk 2 standard.
there is a truck launched Mk 3 version at the moment as well. No new mk2 can be produced to new customers(obsolite components) so it have to be mk3 o mk4 (mk4 is under development and ordered by german navy)
A reasonable request:
Radar for Gripen IN is Vixen 1000E
the proper name after AESA project was settled is SELEX/SAAB ES-05 Raven
What i can understand is the vixen 1000E is the selex offer to saab and maybe just the name of the frontend of the radar.
The issue with Typhoon multirole capabilities is that they are limited by its range in AtG configuration on top of the narrow range of weapon integrated today.
>In a deep strike config with two cruise missiles the Typhoon can only carry a single 1000l drop tank.
>In a CAS role with 6 GBU49 the Typhoon can only rely on internal fuel. With 4GBU49 only 2*1000L drop tanks can be carried.
For an aircraft with a decent size (the biggest after the SH) this performance is quite poor in the strike role. The CFTs are really a must have to be competitive for the typhoon.The gripen NG and Mig 35 will also be limited in range in heavy configurations with a significant kinetic performance disadvantage for the Gripen NG due to its small size. (Try to compare the performance/kinetic penalty of two cruise missiles on the NG compared to Typhoon, rafale or SH for instance)
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Arthuro, we have talked about this eariler…
i dont see a problem here for the Gripen as a striker, with 6 gbu49 and two 1700l tanks it got fuelfraction of 0,41.
with 2 rbs15s andtiship/cruise the the fuelfraction is also 0,41.
it is also known gripen it self have a low dragcoefficient, and is single engined, that helps the fuelburn.
the rest performance/kinetics is speculation due to too many unknown parameters.
In the case of the Gripen does the Taurus come with a range limited version that complies with MTCR.
RB15 mk 3 can act as Anti-Ship and as Cruise missile.