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  • in reply to: F-10 vs Gripen NG #2406694
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    Radar and targeting
    According to Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation officials the J-10 uses a multi-mode fire-control radar designed in China. The radar has a mechanically scanned planar array antenna and is capable of tracking 10 targets. Of the 10 targets tracked, 2 can be engaged simultaneously with semi-active radar homing missiles or 4 can be engaged with active radar homing missiles.[21][/B],

    this is more than 20 years behind…..;) worse than the first gripen A PS-05A capability.

    in reply to: F-10 vs Gripen NG #2406743
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    errr…..no….

    Thats not the complete video….. At what point did JAS-39 Gripen start the turn?

    I think this is the full video. Contains both the Hungarian & Swedish demos. – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKglcbDUhGE

    It starts to turn at around 8:14+ and levels off at around 8:35-36…..

    Around 20 seconds. Like many others.

    But I accept what Cola1973 said. These are just air-shows. What happens in real training/combat is a different story.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSkmzjTsl1M

    17-18 sec is recorded in this video…

    in reply to: What legs do it for you???? #2406753
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    Ahhh, those leeeegs…..

    landing on stiletto heels would not be a good idea 😎

    in reply to: Guess the NATO reporting name for PAK-FA ? #2409088
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    lightning 3 😀

    when no names can be found…

    in reply to: Rise of the Sea Gripen #2009309
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    To repeat, the Gripen might be rated for a higher sink rate than other land based fighters, it might have a tailhook, and the existing flight dynamics are generally favorable, but it is a long way away from being a naval fighter. It’s pretty obvious that neither Saab or the Swedish government will fund these extensive modifications, and there aren’t very many potential launch customers.

    So it doesn’t really matter all that much what Saab is “planning?”

    In any case, a number of posters are overestimating the correlation between road based operational deployments and genuine carrier operations. For instance, Singapore regularly practices fighter operations from a stretch of highway with very conventional F-16s. I would imagine that most modern fighters could deploy to suitable stretches or motorway, and many types have emergency arrestor hooks. This is not especially unique.

    Roadbases is specified to 600m not 800m, which is not the landing distance of a craft.

    this is an example of gripen b:

    Landing speed:
    * 270 km / hr with 12 degrees Alpha landing.
    * 235 km / hr with 14 degrees Alpha landing.

    5. Landing distance: 350 – 400 m with 14 degrees Alpha landing.

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    For those who havent heard it, the roaring av the Viggen is the most adrenaline pumping sound i have ever heard…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuMYtT08hoo&feature=related

    thou not as good in youtube as in real life…
    Gripen sounds not as good..:(

    or why not this one 🙂
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFu7eoKEhoI&feature=related

    1. The draken
    2. the gripen

    is the bestlooking thou..

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2410911
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    yeah sure.. whatever… :rolleyes:

    why, do the usual trolling? when you also can be rude at the same time? :rolleyes:

    in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2411523
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    AIM120C who have twice the range of Mica… Just lol…

    latest modell seems to go far..AIM-120D(C8): 210km+ (wiki)

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2411578
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    I don’t think you (and saab, if they are serious about it) realise how big are the requirement for a navy fighter…

    @+, Arka

    without knowing, from the ideas started, the have seen at least requirements from 3 different countries… so i think they know what it takes. And hopefully they do that sincerly…
    If theres a problem SAAB i a firm that handles risks well, probably the hire some good people externally that are competent on the subject.. They have tackled problems before, and gotten out on top.

    in reply to: New Aircraft Cost Overuns #2411639
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    The SAAB Gripen came bloody close of being on time and on budget, they delivered the goods six months late and roughly 150 million US$ over budget, they managed this AFTER crashing a prototype.

    This is the first Gripen A/B program, the following program was better of.

    The Gripen C/D program ended up on time, and 10% lower then budgeted 🙂

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2411690
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    seems I don’t speak english around here… or people just don’t take time to read what I say… :confused:

    I never said it’s impossible to make “a carrier aircraft for the first time”

    I said that making a carrier aircraft which is first such aircraft for the company and adapted from a terrestrial version and best performer and cheap and almost identical to the terrestrial version all at the same time is nonsense…

    Nobody ever succeeded in doing so, even nations that had much bigger experience and budgets to do so, never

    Etendard was a nice aircraft, but as Dassault made it, the US carriers were receiving stuff besides which the etendard looked as a little toy (Phantoms II, Crusaders, A-6s… Last thing, the Etendard has been built from the beginning with possible navalization in mind, which helped bringing it to the carriers. In the end, it was the first dassault carrier aircraft, but it wasn’t a world beater as what gripen PR pretend to build..

    So, one last time: you can make a first carrier aircraft, but you won’t make it at the same time cheap, easy, best aircraft, etc…

    The thing is you never read up, it kind of annoying..

    The original requirements for the gripen is very similiar to a navy fighter and not as much to a terrestrial one. Its allready there!?…so its 400-500kg of structural changes, defined at high level in posts in this thread.

    READ UP or STOP ARGUEING without the information at hand.

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2412623
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    yeah, right… there’s only a minor thingy named “aircraft carrier” that SAAB never made anything to operate from… piece of cake…

    be my guest 😀

    yes, exactly, piece of cake, when you fit the recuirements 🙂
    read up please

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2412694
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    I don’t consider it signed, don’t worry 😉

    but making a naval aircraft is something that has to be learned. Rafale, again, has a lot in common between the two versions (much more so than the F-35 A and C for example).

    For testing the rafale from the Sao Paulo you’d need to reinstall the deck extensions the french used while they were testing the rafale on it (it was named Foch back then), the catapult on it being a little too short or something like that.

    Anyway, believing that if one can make a terrestrial aircraft, one can transform it to a well performing navalised one for cheap is just wishful thinking 😉

    If you read up anything of the stuff in this thread you realise you kind of out there…
    the recuirements of a navy is allmost fullfilled of the gripen today, so its not as big step as you fantise about.

    in reply to: Sea Gripen – MERGED #2417432
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    And a better question. If the manufacture of the Gripen was to go to the years of R&D and $$$$$$$ to develop a naval version of the Gripen: What nations navy would buy it??????

    Jack E. Hammond

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    they will not develop something the market doesnt want…
    they have probably customers asking for it..

    in reply to: Sweden to fund new 5th generation Gripen? #2419095
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    The tailfin would be different. I can see the premise of a sawtooth edge for all of the facets in the los. The diamond-shape of the cross-section looks plausible, too. Will they stick to this particular form or is this merely a broadly generalized representation?

    its only presents the patent, “the Z-line” to conseal a canard, not the rest of the plane is conidered as stealth design concept …

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