Are we still going on about this? The guy made a mistake, it’s pretty obvious. Thankfully he lived to learn from it. Some don’t.

Let’s move on, chaps.

Daz I think we need to keep an open mind on this because its not obvious what happened. I for one don’t see this as similar to the Firefly incident at all, yet some are saying this is so.

The Yak pilot did not seem to lose control, or orientation, but obviously something caused him to lose a lot of height very quickly. The video seems to jump about the time the aircraft gets low to the ground so I would be wary of its quality if not total authenticity. And the sound is not in synch suggesting some editing. I’m not suggesting anything other than lets just keep an open mind, and wait for the view from the pilot which I’m sure we will get.

Just to prove that you can get info on this board,not not all of us are just interested what colour an aircraft was 😀 😀 😀 here is some more information that I have been able to collate over the last few years.

Basically I think evidence points to GM1 NOX injection being used on the DB601 in the Me109F and in some early DB605’s in 109G’s. As I mentioned it was to raise the rated altitude of the engine. MW50 was what we call ADI or anti detonation injection. This raised power below the rated altitude of the engine and had little no effect above this altitude due to a lack of oxygen.

On the 605 a new supercharger was designed and this raised the rated altitude of the engine and negated the need for GM1. These engines were called DB605 AS. As a consequence MW50 could be used at a higher altitude and such engines would be called DB605 ASM

DB605A 1475hp takeoff power, 1355 @ 18,700 feet
DB605AM 1800hp takeoff power, 1700 @ 13,500 feet 1355 @ 18,700
DB605AS 1475hp takeoff power, 1200 @ 26,000 feet
DB605ASM 1800hp takeoff power, 1500 @ 18,000 feet 1200 @ 26,000

The drop in hp at altitude represents the extra power required to drive the supercharger. These are the engines that powered the 110. Whilst GM1 could have been used it would have been less effective than the AS engine, and would have been applied to the A model only I hope this is not too confusing. As for the DB605D this was a redesigned engine that attemped to cure some of the faults in the A model and get some more power out of it. :confused: :confused: 😮

The trick is to ensure that the aeroplanes are being displayed safely. Loops and rolls are fine; just make sure your gate heights are sufficient to give you ample height on exit, certainly within the limits of the DA, and maybe even with a bit of extra margin built in. If it makes displays “boring”, so what? At least the same number of pilots who left home that morning, wil return home that night. I’m sure that’s what we all really want to see.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly, I would like to se some stricter controls on the hours on type vs. manoeuvres allowed and maybe some form of modern cheep to run aircraft that could be modified to mimic some of the Warbirds so that some of the less experienced pilots can gain that valuable experience, without the high costs.

From what I have been able to gather the Americans called them P40’s whilst the British and Commonwealth called them Tomahawks or Kittyhawks. I don’t think that the name Warhawk was used all that much. As always I could be wrong. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What have Sea Furies been re-engined with when the Centaurus is unavailable – I notice the one in Steve Patterson’s avatar has only four blades. Doesn’t look quite right, but still nice though. Do they refit them with Corsair engines or something like that? I’m sure nothing would be as powerful as the Centaurus would it?

Dave The American Sea Fury’s have Wright R-3350 Cyclone 18’s. They can get spare parts for these easier than the Centaurus. However I believe that someone maybe manufacturing new Centaurus parts, so there maybe hope for the future of the Centaurus.

Most of the 3350’s will be of the later variety as fitted to Skyraiders , Connies or DC7’s, and some racers have used the Turbo-compound version with the turbines removed and replaced with a std engine driven blower. These were tough reliable engines compared to the originals in the B29. The 3350 is the nearest equivalent to a Centaurus, the R2800 as fitted to the Corsair is a little smaller and less powerful.

Paul, my sympathies to you and your family, and to the family of Bill Murton. This news must be very difficult for you all now, although I suspect you have known for some time the verdict of the Naval board of enquiry. In a way you will now be able to start the healing process in earnest without having to hold back. You have many new friends on the forum, many if not all you have never met, but I’m sure they have all shared your grief at what happened. I admire your honesty and bravery over that last 8 months or so, and I hope that sharing your feelings with us has helped in some way.

LA 610 Tempest III with RR Griffon 85

Look out!!!! a Sabre is about to rattle:D 😀 😀