Hello Graham:
My compliments on your (significant) efforts to display ground runnable BoB birds to the general public in the UK. Many folks simply do not get the chance to get “up close and personal” with famous aircraft like Spits and Hurri’s. The public out here in the far flung outposts of the empire (Calgary and vicinity) rarely get to see flying BoB-era aircraft and that is the interest my humble little replica will try to address.
As for costs of a 70% replica like mine, I purchased it from the original builder as your typical homebuilt (90% done, 90% to go) and ferried it uneventfully through the Rockies from Vancouver to Calgary in 2005. Charlie Longstaff and his machinist partner put roughly 12,000 man hours and 23 years into C-FAMY’s original one-off design and construction. I have put another 3,000 hrs and over 5 years into the modification, upgrade and refinishing effort which saw nearly every system and component overhauled or modified in some fashion. In today’s marketplace, I would guess a replica Spit like C-FAMY would cost @ $80-100K for materials and components alone. You can assign what-ever rates you feel are appropriate rates for the 12-15,000 man hours required for woodworking, custom machining and finishing labour. With even nominal rates applied for labour however, the supportable value quickly approaches $250K.
She has electro-hydraulic retracts, a fully functional custom-built under-wing radiator, in-wing oil cooler, and authentic fully functional fishtail stub exhausts. Every single piece on the aircraft was hand built including the 1.8:1 cog-belt redrive, scale 3-bladed wooden propeller c/w blunt-nose spinner, purpose-built (non-cavitating) coolant pump, smoke system, cast aluminum wheels (which originally housed ’53 Morris Minor front drum brakes), gear legs including authentic pintles and rotatable locking pin mechanisms, and a hand-formed plexi-glass canopy. It would have taken me 50 years to build all these parts myself so my hat goes off to old Charlie every time I sit in C-FAMY.
Best of luck should decide to undertake a flying replica. They are a ton of work but extremely rewarding when finally completed (my wife would undoubtedly have a different take on this last statement!!!)
Best regards, Mk.1
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To SMS88:
What is a “bitsa”
Mark:
Many thanks for the photo of the “original” CW_L. It isn’t per chance the same aircraft (a dilapidated PR Spit that was languishing as a gate guard outside an Indian Military Academy) that a group of Vancouver-based doctors recovered from India with great difficulty a number of years ago? The last I heard, their PR Spit was still undergoing restoration in Vancouver. My father per chance ran into a retired airline captain (in Vancouver as well) that had actually flown the same aircraft once during the war in Burma, I vaguely recall. It would be the strangest of coincidences if my replica were to bear the same code as a fluke of Charlie Longstaff’s initials.
Mk.1
Thanks Mark. A few years ago, someone had told me there actually was a Spit coded CW_L but not the mark and/or disposition of the aircraft. So the original CW_L did not have the glorious history I hoped it might have had ๐ Hopefully I can change that when my reincarnate CW_L flies again in the spring of next year.
Mk.1
Thanks SpitfireMan:
I sent out the last request to Mark V before your replay came in.
Reagrds, TW
Hello Mark V (Steve):
Do you have any hints where I might find the early mark colour codes for the roundels, fin flash and squadron markings?
Thanks, TW
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Mk.1 Spitfire – Paint Colour Codes
Thanks for the replies gentlemen:
I will try to get Sherwin Williams to match their “Dimensions” paint line to the BS381c codes. Can any of you list the specific BS381c colour codes/names used on an early mark Spit? (ie. fill in my list below) As for the scheme I will apply, it will be the standard green/brown/sky scheme without a specific (ie. authentic) squadron/aircraft code as I promised the original builder (Charlie Longstaff, now 85 yrs old) that I would retain his initials as the markings on the refinished aeroplane. I will not be applying a white fuselage band ahead of the tail as I believe these were applied in early 1941 were they not?
All info much appreciated, Mk.1
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Mk.1 Spitfire – Paint Colour Codes
Hi Gerry:
I’m afraid she looks quite scabby as we speak, all stripped and in process of paint prep. The only area I have essentially finished is the cockpit. C-FAMY is a 70% wood & glass replica therefore she looks like a dog’s breakfast of mahogany ply, filler and old paint. Attached are a couple more photos however, in her original livery (as painted by the original builder, 17 years ago). I am nearing the final stages of a 5-year overhaul/up-grade/refinishing project.
Regards, Mk.1
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Thruxton Jackeroos
Ollie:
You might want to Google the “Tiger Boys” website. They are based in Guelph, Ontario, Canada and have a mint restored Jackeroo. It has a very interesting history as it was one of the converted DH-82A’s that actually escaped France just ahead of the Luftwaffe in early 1940. They have the entire history of the aircraft posted on their website along with some nice photos. I have seen their bird up close and it is truly a sweetheart of an airplane.
Mk1
Nanton Lancaster Air Museum to Change it’s Name
Hello Peter:
Mk.1 reporting in to congratulate you and the dedicated folk down the road in Nanton for transforming old “Bull Moose” into a memorial and museum of both national and world significance. It’s truly amazing how the folk of a small prairie town (supported by a few dedicated non-Nantonites as well) have pulled together to create something so spectacular from such humble beginnings. I look forward to the day (hopefully within the next 6 months) when I can provide you and your members with appropriate and well-deserved fighter cover for your engine run events and other special celebrations. TW
Rolls Royce Merlin & Fuel…………..
Back to Piston Power’s initial question……
Quite a number of Merlins (likely Packard Merlin 224’s for Lanc’s) were used in the pre-diesel period on well-frac’ing units in the Alberta oil patch. In this regard, an old friend of mine belatedly heard about 5 of them (new, still packed in their original shipping crates, c/w preservative), war-surplus acquired by a well-service company for powering frac compressors. They were squirrelled away in a barn North of Edmonton for 20 years and when he tried to purchase them from the old widow that had them, he learned they had already been sold (at “scrap” value) for $500 each. Somebody made a handsome profit on them as I suspect they have now found homes in P-51 cowlings, south of the border. Back in the days of Merlins on frac units (20,000 psi compressors), heavily leaded fuel was plentiful (100/130 octane avgas) so the valves and pistons in these engines would not have been damaged during the long runs under relatively heavy load.
Mk1
Jennings:
Thanks for starting this thread as I am soon to paint my 70% Mk1 replica. Is the LIFE photo you posted an un-retouched wartime original (1940-41)? If it is, it’s very close to the scheme I want to put on my replica.
Mark V:
Also appreciate your terrific insights and references.
Regards, Mk.1
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Spitfire P8088
Hello Jon:
I double checked my kit details (via Tower Hobbies site) and sure enough, the kit can be finished as Mk.1 K9785 (No. 19 Sqdn 1938) or Mk.11a P8088 (118 Sqdn 1941). My 70% model was built as a faithful Mk.1 replica (with a couple of very minor cheats) therefore I guess I should stick quite close to a genuine Mk.1 scheme. Do you know if any Mk.1’s made it into 1941 markings? Was the white fusalage band and yellow outboard leading edges used at all on BoB Spits (Mk.1’s and Mk.11’s) or confined to post-1941 schemes? Mk 12 is free to answer this question as well…..Thx to all.
Mk.1
Spitfire P8088
Gents:
Great thread on this old Spit model. It was Airfix that produced the 1/48 scale kit of this aircraft, which I recently purchased at the local model shop. The kit has P8088 identified as a Mk.1 however, is this an error? Regardless, my Spit-crazy 4 year old has been bugging me to assemble it since the day we bought it. I will will be using it as a paint scheme prototype for my 70% Mk.1 replica which will be painted in a similar scheme. Photo of existing scheme attached (which Daz will recognize). I prefer the 1941 schemes (with the white band forward of the empenage) over the much plainer 1940 (eg. No. 19 Sqdn) schemes but am open to authenticity recommendations. Do any of you know if black (blunt style) spinners were incorporated in the 1941 schemes that included the white fuselage band?
Regards, Mk.1
Hereโs one for the parachute experts
Coincidental you gents should happen to be discussing WWII parachutes right about now. I just picked up my “new” military backpack style ‘chute for use in my replica Spitfire. Being a bit shorter in the leg compared to the original builder, I thought a backpack type (its @ 3″ thick) would be just right however I now find myself a little more forward than I would like to be. I guess I should have tried to find a serviceable bum-style pack. Do any of you know if these types are still in use and/or available today?
Thx Mk.1
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