These pics do point out that length of fuselage is at least some 15 meters. with overhanging control surfaces that may end up over 16 meters.
could it be that f35 figure includes both variable and non-variable costs?
As far as i could find, in the last 15 or so years, irkut and knaapo combined exported little over 260 su30. That is some 17-18 planes a year. Knaapo had periods (chinese orders) where it made 24 planes per year. Other than that, knaapo’s production was closer to 10 in the years it did work for export. Irkut maintained that rate of production, i don’t know if it ever went over 12 or so per year.
Production can certainly always be increased, in theory. Though i guess that depends a lot on economics. A short term hike up may not be worth it. Investment in further production may lead to higher prices, unless we are talking about dozens of planes per year for a steady, multidecade productions.
I am just saying that there has to be a sweet point – highest economically viable production rate, based on both domestic and foreign orders. Right now, and this is purely guesswork of course, I would say that knaapo’s sweet point seems to be up to 24 planes a year in the 2015-2020. period.
If Irkut will phase out su-30 by the end of decade, what will it produce then? One of existign designs, of course, but which one?
Also, what is production capacity of knaapo? Will it be able to produce su35s for russia, su35s for export, pakfa for russia plus perhaps kits of fgfa for india?
Can someone explain to me why ruaf has ordered those 30 Su30sm?
What can those planes do that su34 and su35 can’t? Isn’t it better to have standardization of the fleet and less subtypes? So why not order 15 more of each su34 and su35 instead those su30sm?
Or was that order a matter of politics? su34 and su35 are both running a bit behind with their development and order, and Irkut had free production schedule to guarantee “extra” 30 good planes in pretty short order?
What is going to happen with Irkut? Did it sell its combat planes to ruaf before? It seems to me as if it was primarely concentrated to exports. Will there be more contracts with Ruaf for more su30? Does that depend on how much export work Irkut has?
Also, what about rest of the production capacity for fighters in russia?
We have Irkut – which makes su30. (does it make anything else?)
There is Knaapo – which makes su35 and which will make pakfa.
Napo is making su34…
Does Mig have its own production line? What is it called?
Is it possible/likely that Irkut will at some point switch to su-35, making it for exports? At the same time, that would free up capacity in knaapo for pak-fa production, which will be needed soon.
i assume it was a separate illuminator, much closer to target, painting that target that was 50 km away? (i know of no laser illuminators that work at such ranges)
what about those smallest versions of aasm? have those been introduced to service yet?
Is there anywhere a list of regiments and their parent brigades for s300v series? It doesnt even have to be up to date. Which brigades are active now in the Army?
Can someone help me with the current orbat of s300v family in russian army?
Please correct my assumption here:
Each Army command area has 2-4 army groups, each one has a specialized heavy AD brigade in which s300v family units operate. There seem to be 4 army commands and altogether 10 army groups. Therefore there should be 10 AD brigades. Is that correct?
Each such brigade has a certain number of regiments (how many regiments?) which operate a certain number of batteries. (how many per regiment?)
Or is that how it will be in several years time, after new missiles arrive and restructuring is complete. Maybe current situation is closer to the organization that was used in 2000s – 6 miltary districts, each one having one division of heavy AD. And then i assume each division had a pair of regiments and each regiment had a pair of batteries? No?
Anyway, i am more interested in current orbat than historical one, but if historical one can help with current one, that is fine too.
that offers greater precision, of course, but is just too cumbersome for what i need. (it is not a computer game) i really think two variables is most i should go for, thats why i mentioned tonnage and overall technology level. Instead of going for subclasification of corvettes, frigates, destroyers etc i am thinking of a way to just stick with tonnage but somehow make points increase nonlinearly with added tonnage.
I am still very much at loss concerning what point ratios i should use.
Yes, it is for a game, that is why it is so simplified.
Anyway, if this is no place for such discussions, can anyone recommend a wargaming forum where I could get decent and knowledgeable advice on my subject?
I never even mentioned anything else except hardware. Hardware is more easely quantifiable and is thus easier first step of the evaluation process. Of course we can later add all sorts of modifier coefficients for training/experience/etc. But again, that is going into purpose of the whole idea. How about we stick to just the mechanics of the hardware evaluation part.
Is there really no one else interested in that stuff here?
i think the truck model in the image has wheelbase of 3900mm, not 3600 like Pinko’s drawing says. that still doesnt make the plane come even close to 15 meters.
true. i did take into account newer version of sa-2 for linebecker kill percentages.
I give up. I just used 2945 wheelbase (it doesnt seem to be 2011 model or later, headlights are older looking) and tried to take into account the perspective and car’s position and got 17 meter length. ?!? And in the same freakin picture i get under 13 meters when using truck’s wheelbase.
I think i will just wait and see… This may surprise us yet, who knows what is underneath.
I made the measurement from two more images, one view similar viewpoint to this one, where plane ended up again 12,5 meters long (and where it had wingspan of 9,5 meters; i used the trucks cabin width for that, which is known)
But then i also used the truck’s wheelbase as a reference on the top down image, where the truck is in that city’s intersection. There i got 15 meters of length and as much as 12 meters of wingspan. Weird…