These aircraft carried TL-P codes when lost.
Halifax 35 W7825 TL-P Dusseldorf
Lancaster 35 PB197 TL-P Wanne-Eickel
Halifax 35 W7656 TL-P Tirpitz
Halifax 35 HR907 TL-P Hannover
Halifax 35 L9603 TL-P Rover Patrol
Halifax 35 L9503 TL-P Hamburg
Halifax 35 W1015 TL-P Tirpitz
Halifax 35 W7676 TL-P Nuremburg
Halifax 35 HR803 TL-P Hamburg
Lancaster 35 PB612 TL-P Cologne
Obviously, there may have been others wearing that code before being recoded as another letter or transferred out for repair, maintenance or to other Squadrons etc.
CWGC has slightly different address, maybe you know which is corect?
Name: WADE, ELIZABETH. Age: 51. Date of Death: 21/12/1940
Additional information: Wife of William Wade, of 2C Blackstock Gardens, Vauxhall Road. Died at Blackstock Gardens Shelter.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead. Reporting Authority: LIVERPOOL, COUNTY BOROUGH.
I know L’pool was badly bombed (Dad’s family from there) but to lose 2 in a few months in different shelters, where they thought they were safe….
Firstly, there doesn’t seem any possibility of a Halifax flying in 1971. Even allowing for it to be the last off the production line it would have to be 25 or so years old, and who would have been providing maintenance and spares since the end of WW2?
Secondly, the larger square fins were retrospectively fitted to Halifaxes, so a MkII could have these fins (especially as I understand the torque effect was most noticeable on the Merlin engine variants).
It has to be old footage inserted into the documentary. It looks to have RAF style fin flashes and possibly a roundel, but no squadron codes visible, and it doesn’t seem WW2 style night bomber camouflage, more a matt greyish effect.
I think we’d all like to know where the documentary producers got the footage from, and what else they might have!!
None of the information you guys posted after my remarks is on that page of the website, no reference to graves being lost, or wreckage recovered by a third party.
IF that HAD been on the website, I wouldn’t have made the remarks. The tone is that the wreckage alone was recovered.
P1344 may be a testament to the men who flew and died in Hampdens, but there was no reference to any effort to locate the crew graves.
Sorry, but my view is that the men are as worthy as the aircraft and that isn’t evident on the information posted.
OK, and my bad geography in assuming the aircraft came down in Norwegian territory.
So, let’s end on a seasonal greeting. I’ve said my piece. You obviously know more than is available on the RAFM website, so thanks for that. HNY
Well spotted jeepman….
What a pity that it appears people were more concerned with recovering the wreckage than the 3 crew. Doesn’t say much for the modern RAF “care” does it?
and what’s with
Things being looked into include a Management Plan which will establish an end date for the project
? Surely that should be an initial stage, not halfway through the process!
I do despair at modern technobabble and business speak, no wonder they lost sight of the human side of the crash…….
Time for the Harriers one last time to overfly runways and motorways to melt/blow snow and ice away!!
Be prepared for a lengthy wait, I think some people are waiting about 8 months. It’s 4 months so far for me and still nothing!!
Glenis, from my rough understanding, Pathfinders were extremely good crews, particularly at navigation, who were tasked with leading the waves of bombers on targets, especially over Germany in Bomber Command.
Germany only invaded Hungary in March 1944 and I suspect that there were missions to drop agents to link up with resistance partisans to arrange for weapons to be dropped to aid the resistance to the Germans. I doubt that it would have been a flight to somehow help the Jews in Budapest, more likely that a supply drop near Budapest and getting hit by flak. It must have been a long flight there and either supply drops or bombing targets identified by the partisans such as marshalling yards etc.
It is possible that they crashed some way from Budapest, as it would be known to be heavily defended. My guess would be that it crashed quite far away, but Budapest was a “convenient” collection point for aircrew and other servicemen killed in Hungary.
The CWGC may have details of their initial burial place, which might be of some comfort.
The reference to JP107 in the other thread is simply one of the crew who flew it out to the Mediterranean, which is how it came to be in 614 Squadron. It might be that he’d recollect whether JP107 had a K gun in the nose or not!!
Should you feel the need, this company (no connection, just have corresponded with them previously) can make a model Halifax etc, to your specification, should you so desire. Nice Airplanes niceairplanesAThotmail.co.uk (remove the AT sign)
You may already have the full crew details
BROWN ASH 1812632 614 SQDN 26/06/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
CATER S 1212653 614 SQDN 26/06/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
GITTINGS EG 177678 614 SQDN 26/06/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
SHAW A 1673517 614 SQDN 26/06/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
SKINNER KJ 1425972 614 SQDN 26/06/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
WILLIAMS GM 175554 614 SQDN 26/06/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
who are all buried together in Collective Plot III B 1 to 6, being 6 graves. The usual complement of a Halifax (a Series II Mk 1 a in this instance, but don’t ask about the nose glazing!) was 7 and I would have thought that a supply drop would have required a full crew.
As buried together, it seems as if individual identification wasn’t possible, indicating a sudden and catastrophic crash out of control whereby none of the crew were able to escape.
I’m sorry but I don’t have further details. If you Google JP107 you may find some peripheral mention in a thread relating to JP137 crash.
stirling01: You may be a little harsh as the DH Museum closes at end of October, so no doubt they not quite so hot on responding to emails now.
However, if you look through the link http://www.dehavillandmuseum.co.uk/museum_information.html
you will probably find photos of Mosquito noses and also a contact number, that may be able to provide greater details ….
It seems he only landed in France on 7th April ’18 and was captured on 16th April, hardly time to get his uniform dirty!!
A Frank Enticott is recorded as born 4th September 1884 in Axminster, Devon, in 1891 his father Frank a fish and fruit seller, mother Lydia and one year old brother Albert Edward (b 2nd Qtr 1889) were living in the Old Lock Up in Castle Street. 1901 records them as EnDicott, 134 Lyme Street, father a grocer, Frank a grocers assistant with brothers Albert E and Edgar C and a sister Ethel N.
Frank married Rose Elizabeth Campbell on 4th January 1908 in Lambeth. He mentions he was 13 stone in January 1915.
He first served in the Army Service Corps, Regimental Number: 074730, entering France on 6th May 1915, rising to L/Cpl (acting?), then presumably after being wounded and recovered was posted to Norfolk Regiment, as a Private (?) No. 37657.
There seems to be a vast discrepancy between Franks record of around 200 dying since capture, unless he is referring to all those captured at the same time as him, not just 3rd Norfolks who only sustained 33 casualties from Jan 1918 until 31/7/21.
His brother Albert was killed in March 1918, with Probate being granted in Nov 1929.
Name: ENTICOTT, ALBERT EDWARD. Rank: Ordinary Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy. Unit Text: H.M.S. “Gaillardia.”
Date of Death: 22/03/1918. Service No: J/66195
Grave/Memorial Reference: 28. Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
He had married a Miss Tompkins in 3rd Qtr 1914 in Wandsworth, presumably just after War was declared and prior to joining the Navy.
Mad, another extraordinary example of the “blame someone” culture. If accurately reported, how can it possibly be the airline at fault when a 3 year old child, across the aisle and with its mother, screamed? She had hearing problems before the flight, yet blamed Qantas for not predicting that a 3 year old might scream unexpectedly.
Facepalm moment…… the lunatics really are taking over…..
Look at the Sadlers Farm roundabout on A13 and A130 near Canvey Island, Essex, very similar!
Look at the Sadlers Farm roundabout on A13 and A130 near Canvey Island, Essex, very similar!
Hi, sorry, my mistake, just put in the Name and initials and Squadron and turned up my chap. Curious that I got a hit! Forgot to double check it was the same chap as yours!