F14s might scare ametures, but the US military knows all about what 25 decade F14s can do. so the deterrant idea doesnt work.
i don’t understand where you get this figure of 25 f14 from? in some instances (specially in the kh-55 thread) you seem to indicate iran ability to do certain things or reverse engineer the kh-55, but yet you are reluctant to believ they can keep their f14 at full strength..
i already posted article from iran mentioning their ability to produce 100% of the part for their engines. From acig its reported 29 active and 29 storage, with 1 crashing, according to iran new network some time last year.
it seems to me that this conversation will go no where, before any of you can decide on which combination of tactics will work first, you must understand what tools you have to fight with. And in irans case you dont know their tools, except only presumption.
as to whether su27 would be good for iran, well i doubt it would. Su30 or 35 would be a much better choice at least. But there are is a time factor involved here, and that is would iran have enough time to induce 100+ su fighter into the airforce and start a licence production of spares.
you cant have f5 taking off from runways and expect to set up any sort of serious resistance to an incoming force. How would you organise spares, refuelling and so on. how would you more importantly organise any sort of ORGANISED defence.
Good points but I still think a new Flanker should be less of a nuissance to support then the F-14s the have today… Especialy if the Flankers come integrated to the R-33 (the MiG-31`s long range “Phoenixski”… What about local manufacture of Flqankers and Lyulka turbofans under licence? Or even AL-31 powered F-14s (could it be done?) Do they have localy the required human skills? How much would such a sale irritate the Bush administration
I would be nice to have flankers, but for reason peed said they wont. Plus combine that with very coplex demands of having full technical documentation to the planes its just a no go area.
also i would not say iran is light years away from making something that is a match to the flanker or close to it. If iran were to simply copy the f14 it would have something very similar and its very close to such capability if you add all the reports from acig and iran together.

You are all aware Iran has been building reverse engineered Hueys for some time and that they (incredibly 🙂 adapted HAWK surface to air missiles so that they could be fired from F14?
iran does not only make Huey’s, it also makes its own upgraded version of the ah1j called the panah2091.

Hi
interesting conversation you are having here, just though i should drop a line about iran and laser gyros.
from IRNA,
Quote:
Air Force reports success in producing laser navigation systems
IRNATehran, Sept 15, IRNA — Air Force Commander Brigadier-General Reza
Pardis said here on Monday that Air Force experts have been able
to develop the technology for producing laser navigation systems for
the first time in the country.
The Persian-language newspaper `Jomhouri-Ye Eslami` quoted Pardis
as saying that the experts had succeeded to produce the Intertial
Navigation System (INS), which uses laser gyros and satellite
facilities to determine the geographical position of an aircraft and
report it to the pilot.
He said the foreign brands of INS systems is worth about 100,000
to 120,000 dollars, stressing that Iran`s ability to produce these
systems could have considerable economic gains for the country.
Pardis added that the Air Force started the INS development
project in cooperation with the Department for Electronic Industries
of Defense Ministry as well as a group of university professors about
two years ago.
He also said that the technology for producing INS systems is
exclusive only to certain countries such as the US, Britain, France
and Russia, and that some other countries are producing these systems
under a license without having the right to transfer the technology. AA/210
End
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2003/09/mil-030915-irna01.htm
the article is from some time ago.
i really think you should not doubt Iran’s ability or reverse engineer such engines.
flying yes, fully functionable, questionable. I read that Iran is able to re-produce MOST of the spare parts but not all, particularly in the radar and some of the engine components.
no really, i posted a news article from iran where they said that they can manufacture all spared for their f14 engines.
here, translation from persian text.
20 January, 2005
Iran reached self-sufficiency in production of parts for F-14 jet engines
(ISNA; Translation from Press-Release in Farsi by Catsoo)
Mr Ali Reza Ahee, Iran Aeronautic Company general manager for aero engine parts, stated: From now on F-14 jet engine parts will be locally produced. During the second Kish Air show, he further added that Iran now has acquired the technology to manufacture parts for high technology jet engines.
He also said “The United States and Iran are the only two countries that operate F-14 fighters, therefore, after the US sanctions, all our requests of such parts around the world were rejected. However, after many years Iranian specialists, using internal resources, have achieved self sufficiency for the country”.
He continued “Our specialists used reverse engineering technique and at times had to design their own parts, This effort has led Iran to save millions of dollars of foreign purchase annually”.
only thing i have heard they have problems with is wingboxes, and that is from acig.
Ok, that sounds fair. But now I would like to understand how the Iranian can keep up the Ah1, F5, F14, F4… After so many decades boycot… Indirect input?
the original in Persian
پنجشنبه 1 بهمن 1383 – ايلنا
عليرضا آهي, مدير پروژه ساخت قطعات موتورهاي هوايي شركت هواپيمايي ايران، گفت: از اين پس قطعات موتور هواپيماي F14 در ايران توليد ميشود.
عليرضا آهي در حاشيه دومين نمايشگاه بينالمللي هوايي خليج فارس، كيش – ايران، اضافه كرد: ايران به دانش فني ساخت قطعات موتوري كه با فناوري بالا هستند، دست يافته است.
وي افزود: با توجه به اينكه در جهان تنها ايران و آمريكا داراي هواپيماي F14 هستند، از اين رو با آغاز تحريم ايران، كليه سفارشات كالاي ما در جهان برگشت ميخورد كه پس از سالها، متخصصان ايراني با اتكا به توان داخلي توانستند كشور را از نظر ساخت و تأمين اين قطعات بينياز كنند.
مدير پروژه ساخت قطعات موتورهاي هوايي شركت هواپيمايي ايران، اضافه كرد: شيوه توليد اين قطعات به روش مهندسي و طراحي معكوس صورت گرفته و در برخي موارد متخصصان ايراني قطعات مورد نظر خود را طراحي كردند. وي افزود: با ساخت قطعات هواپيما F14 سالانه از خروج ميليونها دلار ارز از كشور جلوگيري ميشود.
and the translation (on acig)
Some interesting news from Iran, revealed on the Kish Air Show
20 January, 2005
Iran reached self-sufficiency in production of parts for F-14 jet engines
(ISNA; Translation from Press-Release in Farsi by Catsoo)
Mr Ali Reza Ahee, Iran Aeronautic Company general manager for aero engine parts, stated: From now on F-14 jet engine parts will be locally produced. During the second Kish Air show, he further added that Iran now has acquired the technology to manufacture parts for high technology jet engines.
He also said “The United States and Iran are the only two countries that operate F-14 fighters, therefore, after the US sanctions, all our requests of such parts around the world were rejected. However, after many years Iranian specialists, using internal resources, have achieved self sufficiency for the country”.
He continued “Our specialists used reverse engineering technique and at times had to design their own parts, This effort has led Iran to save millions of dollars of foreign purchase annually”.
hi i am new here,
mabe you would like to see this clip of their airforce, its their army day tomorrow.
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_fa.asp?news_id=110016230194801&n=6
indeed they are a very underated and not well understood airforce.
in regards to thiir new fighter they are developing. this was posted yesterday 15 april.
TEHRAN (MNA) – Iran’s first fighter jet, the Saeq’e (lightning), will soon join the air fleet of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force, the Air Force commander said on Wednesday.
The fighter has been designed and constructed by specialists and experts from Iran’s Air Force, IRIAF Commander Brigadier General Seyyed Reza Pardis told the Mehr News Agency.
“This fighter has various capabilities and will be used to boost defensive power,” he said.
Iran has great potential in specialized fields and can develop any kind of conventional defensive technology that we want, Pardis added.
Pardis went on to say that the Iranian Air Force is one of the most powerful air forces in the region.
“The IRIAF was the foremost air force in the region during the time of the Sacred Defense (the 1980-1988 Iraq-Iran war). Today, too, we have one of the mightiest air forces in the Middle East region,” he noted.
He added that the weapons and equipment that the IRIAF has designed, produced, and upgraded are comparable to and in many cases even more advanced than those utilized by the air forces of other regional countries. Referring to the IRIAF’s operational readiness, General Pardis asserted, “It does not make any difference for the IRIAF from where or when the threat might originate, we are prepared for defense at all times. We have made the necessary preparations in this regard.” RA/HL/HG
http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=4/15/2004&Cat=2&Num=022