Christ guys 😮

It is the same all over the world, I guess. This is developing into the us versus them debate. I’ve been flying as a jumpship pilot (or what ever you call it in the UK) on a C206. So in a way SimonH, I see it both ways, just as you do (though I’m a pilot in principle while you are a ‘diver in principle). In general, they skydivers look upon pilots as idiots willing to kill them, and pilots look upon skydivers as cowboys that have a deathwish, jumping out of perfectly good aeroplanes.

This has nothing to do with dangerzones (active para jumping), or jumpmasters not knowing what is happening below them. It is just pure ignorance (or stupidity, what ever you want to call it), and both parties have very bad apples in their ranks.

Here in Iceland we have a unicom frequency (118.1) that covers the whole country while outside controlled airspace. Everybody (with radio) must monitor that freq. when outside controlled airspace. Here calls are made, on that freq. 5 min to jump, 2 min to jump, 1 min. to jump and when the jump is made. Still I’ve had to make an aborted jumprun more than once, and more than twice because some prick was seen flying through our jumpzone. Also, I’ve been flying, with jumpers, on top at at 12.000 feet, when they all went out on a GPS fix! The lowes bottoms I remember were 3000 feet. There must be something wrong when jumpers are complaning about ICING in clouds!

So, please guys! This is a futile discussion. Let’s drop it before someone gets hurt (or banned!).

As was the conceit at the time they were told that the aiming point was the Nazi Party HQ, which needless to say was just about in the middle of the town. It was actually an area bombing raid in all but name.Moggy

I’m prepered to be corrected (too lazy to check my books), but I think at that time in the war, they really genuinely thought they could bomb a single building in the occupied countries with great precision. True, the bombing survey conducted in the summer of 1941 had been conducted, but the resaults were still top secret in the Air Ministry, and a change of tacktics, to pure area bombing, only came into being in early 1942.

But I know how you feel. Lets never forget these very brave men!

You can always clean these things up with scotsbright, or similar, but to really stop the corrosion you would need to close the surface of the medal with something like Aludine (spelling?) and then to be sure, to prime it. To use Aludine would be a bit of a gamble as the surrounding paint might take some colour from it, AND, you need to put the item into water to wash of the stuff!

Like I said, this is very tricky since you want to keep the original paint! It would be no problem if that was not an issue

Can you paint them immidietly after treatment or do you want them bare aluminium?

Oh dear 😮 That was a close one 😮 😮

Bet some brown pants resaulted from this incident.

This is a very old argument.

Provided the QFE infromation from the tower was correct, I would say you should get your self a new altimeter 😉 Sensitive pressure altimeters should read within +/-75 feet of zero when set to QFE. If they do not, a visit to the shop for recalibration is in order.

If faced with this problem, (and a shop visit for the altimeter is not on the cards), I would set the altimeter to zero on the ground.

I’ve got an old aircraft I’m restoring to airworthiness. I got it as a ‘wreck’ but complete, had not been touched in something like 30 years. In the end I will probably have spent about 200.000 pounds to get it to flight status. The retail value of said aircraft is probably somewhere around around 90-100.000 pounds fresh out of restoration (if I’m being very, very optimistic). Of course I WILL paint it any way I like, yellow polka dots and everything. If someone is going to ask me about the paint, I have the answer already. Where was your money spent on this aircraft?

I have never heard of an order being issued by Herr Himmler to execute shot down bomber crews. I don’t know everything, so maybe it’s correct. However, all accounts I’ve read about allied crews in general being killed after a parachute descent, were at the hands of an angry mob. My general feeling is, through reading of course, that allied crew were save (at least not killed) in the hands of the German Armed Forces while being brought to the interrogation center. After they arrived there, some tricks were played on them, but I can not remember any instance of one actually being killed, though, of course, it might have happened.

Is it possible, that the order you are talking about is the killing of 50 recaptured prisoners from the Great Escape? In that instance, Hitler issued the order, and the SS carried it out. Since the SS carried out the killings, Herr Himmler must have issued the formal order.