Well, as always YAK11, very quick!
Thank you very much for the clue. Has this aircraft ever flown in these colours or was it just restored and put into storage?
Daz,
The U was all black as well in the night fighter role. How ever I would like to make the model look like a ETO day fighter or MTO day fighter, in which case the serial would be visible
Daz,
At least a step in the right direction, but not really the aircraft I’m after. 111 sq was on night fighter duties at Debden in the winter 1941/42. The old man himself had some really funny things to say about that period!;)
To add a few to the list.
Bluebird Cargo Airlines Operates three B737-300F and Íslandsflug operates two 737-300QC and one 737-300F
The Channex 733QC’s are ex-Lufthansa and I guess they have more of them.
Two years ago I was flying from Paris Orly to Perpignan. It was flown on ATR’s and was a route set up by Airliner, a French domestic outfit. We were flying twice a day, in the morning and in the afternoon. The load factors were nothing to write home about so maybe they quit this route? If IIRC, this route was heavily sponsored by the local Board de Commerce (or what ever it is called).
Before you buy your self a ticket with AF at New York prices, I think it might be worth it to see if Airliner still flies down there.
You are not entirely correct there RobAnt.
True, that many aircraft today use bonded parts, that is, they are glued together. The big difference is the quiality of the glue. Most, if not all, glues used to day are actually as strong, or even stronger than the surrounding structure (talking wood here) and they have been improved over decedes to extend their live. Many of the glues made to day can reasonably been expected to out-live the wood around them.
However the glue used during the war and well into the 50’s was, well it has to been said, rubbish. It was good enough when fairly new, but it has a tendency not to age very gracefully! When the glue is ageing it starts to crystalize and looses its bonding qualities over time. This is a problem that has been known for decedes, and is, I think, the primary reason that so few of the wooden aircraft like Messengers and Proctors are about. When this problem started to appear for real in the 60’s, these aircraft were simply scrapped, as the cost of re-glueing was at the time astronomical and the aircraft cheap and old.
Maybe some can correct me?
To answear your question Ant,
It has not been verified. It is impossible to check the strength of a glue joint without tearing the joint apart! Then you would have to reglue the entire aircraft again anyhow. I do not know the complete story of this aircraft but I do not think it has been completely reglued.
Some of the joints might be obviously wrong, completely loose, but others might LOOK right on first inspection but when using ‘destructive’ testing (taking the joint apart for re-glueing) it will become apparent that it does not neccecarily have the required strength. I’m battling the glue problem myself in an old aeroplane and I know it can get quite fursturating at times.
Hope this helps,
Galdri
Here is one more that is no longer with us. The Bristol Freighter in Reykjavik in the autum of 1994. If I’m not mistaken, it crashed in 1996, fortunatly without the loss of live.
Thank you very much Steve.
Here is another one. Hope you enjoy!
Guess you are right about that!
Guess you are right about that!
I’ve been off line for a couple of days, but I hope I’m not too late to answear Moggy!
There is no Battle under rebuild in Iceland. What you are probably referring to is a Battle wreck that was discovered three years ago, in the late summer/autum 2000. The aircraft in question was Battle P2330 “VO-D” of 98 squadron RAF Coastal Command. It went from Kaldadarnes Airfield, on the south coast of the island, on a communication flight to Melgerdismelar on the north coast on the 26th of May 1941. The crew for the flight was one pilot and one radio operator. At Melgerdismelar they they picked up two passengers on their way to Kaldadarnes. After take off from Melgerdismelar nothing further was heard from them. After intensive search, a search party from the Army found the wreck but was unable to get to it for some reason. The aircraft had crashed high up in a mountain (semi-glacier) about 20km west of Melgerdismelar. The aircraft was forgotten for almost 60 years, until an enthusiast spent a couple of summers trying to find it. In the summer of 2000 he finally found the wreck, along with some remains of the crew. A party from the RAF arrived here in the autum and took the human remains from the crash site. They were given a full military burial in Fossvogskikjugardur where all their brothers in arms that died in Iceland during the war are burried. It was a very moving experience to witness, particulary the finale when a Nimrod flew low over the assembly. For some strange reason the airmen had been listed as missing in action for all those years, but after the aircraft was found, a map has come to light where the Army search party pinpointed exactly where the aircraft had crashed, but apparently no effort was made during the war to recover the bodies! Slowly the glaicer is giving up it’s secrets, and this summer a lot more of the wreck came up, including more human remains. A friend of mine, who is a helecopter pilot for the Icelandic Coast Guard, had the grim task of collecting the remains of the crew this summer. They found a lot that had not been taken by the RAF team (under snow at the time) and took it away for burrial. Fittingly, the crew was airlifted from their resting place of the last 62 years to their final rest.
Now back to the aircraft. It is nothing but badly twisted pieces of metal, and never fit for any rebuild. Most of it will be left where it came to rest. Some parts of it have been taken off the mountain and are displayed at the Akureyri Aviation Museum. All small things like bent and twisted machine gun, parts of the leading edge of the wing. Then there are other parts I find highly disgusting and don’t want to talk about here.
The Battle in Hendon is based on substancial parts of Battle L5343 that crashed in the Icelandic Highlands on the 13th of September 1940, just after 98 squadron arrived here, and is painted in the colours of that machine.
Hope this is of some interest to someone!
Yes Ant, This was a very serious proposal!
The aircraft was flown with the wooden mock-up of the cannons to check handling and performance. It never went beyond that stage however. IIRC the wing was not strong enough to take the recoil of the six guns and they had problems getting ammo to the center gun.
Yeah, it is a bit strange to own such a beautifull machine and lock it up behind closed doors. From another thread I understood that it is not even certain if Paul Allen has ever seen his own collection! If I had anyting like his collection I would be like a kid in a candy store.
Thanks Ant! That was quick:D