Probably possible with enough money spent on it. I’d assume two variants, one based off the GR.1B and one based off the F3. One variant to replace the Buccaneers and the other to replace the phantoms.
Would it be feasable with late 1980s avionics and radars to produce a new version that combined both GR and F variants. It could be the FRS5. Also what would have to be done to navalise a Tornado, whats the shopping list of things?
Sea Tonka is a no, by late 80’s the only real CTOL jet the FAA could operate (assuming we had the carriers of course) is an Anglosised F-18C
Not Tomcats? I could imagine Navalised Tornados myself. Whether that be an ‘Ultimate Tornado’ that combined the roles of both GR1 and F3 or navalised versions of each.
I’m just curious. Does anyone know how CVA-01’s flight deck would have been divided up for spotting purposes? Ie Fly 1, Fly 2 etc.
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How about resurrecting (with more modern systems of course) the Hawker Siddeley P139B intended to perform the AEW/COD role aboard CVA-01?
Here are my latest efforts. I also included the ship and the little jets which I hope are to scale though I did have to cheat and made the s’board cat’ shorter so that the jets didn’t touch.
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Here’s the ‘Phantomised’ Victorious, with and without the boat crane.
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If you are going to all the trouble of moving the fore elevator to the port deck-edge, I can’t see why you would keep that starboard boat crane where it is… you can’t really park any aircraft anywhere along the starboard deck aft of the island during landing ops.
Try moving it aft a bit, to allow a couple-3 aircraft to be parked there:
I left the crane there for visual purposes only to be truithful. It looked bland and boring otherwise. As for the deck edge lift, I liked the look of it on Hermes and although Victorious lacked sufficient freeboard for one I thought it a good place to put it if I was going to extend the cats. The changes I acknowledge re the lift aren’t necessarily practical, I’m not sure how the lift would work in relation to the Hanger deck below.
This is what I’ve managed so far:
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Edit: I’ve made some alterations to Victorious’ flight deck markings.
I’ve checked the Navy News website and, well see for yourself but I think both February and March issues are of the ship in the same period. One has an exploded view of the island as well as the hull with different things on the flight deck, whilst the other just has the hull as a cutaway. Does that mean that there’ll be yet another one in the April issue? Also I can no longer find Navy News in WH Smith in Cardiff. I’ll try Newport on the weekend.
Update I popped into Wh Smith on my way home from work today and there was a stack of March editions in stock. I’ll get one on the weekend, but it is of the 1950s Ark not 1970s. Maybe April will feature Ark later in her career?
I’ve checked the Navy News website and, well see for yourself but I think both February and March issues are of the ship in the same period. One has an exploded view of the island as well as the hull with different things on the flight deck, whilst the other just has the hull as a cutaway. Does that mean that there’ll be yet another one in the April issue? Also I can no longer find Navy News in WH Smith in Cardiff. I’ll try Newport on the weekend.
I think Navy News will bedoing another cutaway of Ark in her later years in the next issue…
I only have paint, not photoshop. It is somewhat limiting, but if you choose the pic carefully you can still manage quite a lot. I’m still on my first computer, a laptop I bought four years ago and the hard drive is getting a bit full (only about 5 Gb left) so I’m waiting until I can afford a new computer before I start adding fancy programs like photoshop!:D
If you are Phantomising Victorious, you may need a sqn of these: (see below) I reckon Victorious would be large enough for a sqn of 12 FG1s, plus 8 Buccs, four Gannets and six Wessex/ Sea King. The RN at the time tended to favour fighters over strike aircraft if it had to reduce from ideal sqn size (ie Eagle’s air group was the benchmark) due to limited space aboard ship. Hermes for example had a full sized fighter sqn (12 Vixens) embarked during the sixties but only 8 Scimitar/ six Buccs. Eagle had the ‘standard’ 14 Buccs (in the 60s Ark had 16 Scimitars, and in the 70s 14 Buccs). The thinking was probably for strike missions the Buccs would be strike leaders and could be augmented by Vixens/Phantoms as ‘bomb trucks’ to add numbers.
Re: Navy News, I’ll definately try to get my hands on that issue. When is it out?
Re: Victorious’ airgroup, I envisage 10 F4s, 12 Buccaneers, 4 Gannets and 6-8 helos but we shall see.
Sadly the carrier at yeovilton will probably be the nearest any of us will get to a RN ctol carrier for the forseeable future. Oh and here is that ‘S mk3’ Bucc in 801 colours! BTW if you get your hands on this months Navy News there is a deck by deck cutaway of Ark Royal IV, showing just how 2700 sailors could be fitted into a ship that size!
I always thought the MOD/government in general would not allow Ark Royal to be preserved because they saw her as an embarrassment (ie because they were getting rid of CTOL naval aviation) and thought the sooner she was gone the sooner everyone would forget about the whole carrier crisis and the ‘end of empire’. On the other hand, when the Falklands were invaded, Admiral Leach briefed Margaret Thatcher about the Task Force he was assembling, and after telling her that Hermes and Invincible would be sent along with all the Sea Harriers available, she apparently replied “And you’ll be sending the Ark Royal with her Phantoms and Buccaneers of course?”, only to be told that her government had scrapped the Ark Royal 18 months earlier, and the Phantoms and Buccaneers were now effectively impotent in the hands of the land based RAF. Lessons of history…
Hi Obi
First off I like the new picture (you did that using just Paint?). Secondly I checked the Navy News website and found that the cutaway was of Ark Royal in the 1950s. I was kind of hoping for a cutaway of her from the ’70s, ah well perhaps next time. Am I the only one who when they think of Ark IV sees her post Phantomisation? Oh and I’ve almost finished my attempt at a Phanomised Victorious. I hope to post it soon.
Thanks for the Compliment Obi Wan. I’ll have to alter the date and try and do another one with different colours if I can find an appropriate pallet. I love the new set of images you posted and I too think that the markings sported by Ark Royal in the late 70s are the best. If our CVFs ever go CTOL, those are the markings to use.
In keeping with the elements: Tempest, Tornado, Typhoon or Cyclone. Bird: Eagle or Hawk. Here’s an idea, had the project ever been resurrected at a later date then how about, TSR2? The title may just have been a project title Tactical Strike Reconnaisance 2, but it has become so attached to the aircraft that I don’t think it could be called anything else.
Well This is my first attempt. I thought I’d start with something simple. Victorious as she first appeared following her refit, complete with the old markings, before she was ‘Buccaneered’. Hopefully there’ll be more to follow. Looking at these flight deck plans, its amazing how little flight deck space there was. I would have landed all Victorious’ guns and plated over increasing the number of planes on deck.