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  • in reply to: Bf 110s "needed their own escorts" a canard? #771560
    Supermarine305
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    Yep.

    Just another opinion.

    What you have failed to provide are any contemporary sources that the Bf 110 was escorted whilst it was used as an escort fighter.
    The luftwaffe was not short on absurdities but this is a bit of a stretch.

    What no-one is suggesting is that the Bf 110 was a great dog figher when compared to single engined fighters. Like almost any small twin engined aircraft of the time its survivability rested on speed. Or to put it as an hypothetical: How well would the much celebrated DH Mosquito have fared if it were to escort bombers on daylight raids?

    Escorting bombers robbed the 110 of that speed but in the early days of the BoB the luftwaffe lacked anything else that had the necerssary range. As soon as the luftwaffe learned to put external tanks on the 109 why would it then continue to send out 110 as escorts? Surely that is just doubling the work of the 109 pilots?

    This is crux of OP’s question.

    in reply to: Bf 110s "needed their own escorts" a canard? #780743
    Supermarine305
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    The common claim made is that the Bf 110 was unsuatible for skies of the UK and was thus pulled back to other ‘safer’ theatres and later found valuable use as a night fighter.

    The unsuitability was how it was used and that had it been utillised in a way that took advantage of its speed then it would have been a very serious threat to RAF pilots without needing its own escort.

    in reply to: US Senator John McCain dies aged 81 #780749
    Supermarine305
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    Like Jack Windsor I have been reasearching McCain and coming up with the same.

    Now the faslehoods I have seen spread largely by Trump supporters (or more likely in many caases trolls in support of Trump) is the McCain started the fire by wet starting his A4 that cooked off a missile in another aircraft. That is BS.

    His actions during and after the event bear closer scrutiny especially as his own accounts differ with other veterans and his own.

    There have been several associates, fund raisers, friends and cohorts who have been charged, and not small stuff either.

    REzko? Obama was dumb dealing with him but he wasn’t the only politician to do so.
    Ayers. Being appointed to the same board doesn’t mean you’re best mates.
    A couple more but you really need to dig to find them.
    In government to only indictment was General Petraeus.
    And its noting to the scale of what is being dug up about the Trump administration. Nixon will have to settle for being in second place.

    in reply to: Bf 110s "needed their own escorts" a canard? #781084
    Supermarine305
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    With contemporary reports of RAF pilots on encountering the Bf 110 during the BoB would be hard to say whether the aircraft was generally outdated and unsuitable (a common accusation) or just badly utillised.

    The platinum standard would be the views of those that flew the Bf110 in combat, understood what it was capable of and whether it was used well by the high command or not. Their lives depended on the strenght of the airframe getting them home.

    in reply to: US Senator John McCain dies aged 81 #781208
    Supermarine305
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    I’ll have my say on McCain.
    I can’t fault hik for is bravery and dedication to his country.
    Whereas his escapades in civilian and politics -at least until be became a rare critical voice the teh GOP- will be looked upon less kindly.
    And there is no harm in in that. Everything John McCain did in politics he did willingly and we owe future historians the truth.

    What is striking is how willingly many of Trump’s followers have fallen for the lies about his time on captivity in N. Vietnam and on the USS Forrestal purely because they are aping Trump’s rather petty and vindictive opinons. He never does seem able to take criticism well.
    From a party that likes to see itself as champions of the military I find that rather striking.

    And in a reply to Matt Gunsch, though I do respect that you have a right to your opinion, I wonder if you can tell us how many of Obama’s close associates have been indicted on criminal charges versus Trump’s?

    in reply to: Bf 110s "needed their own escorts" a canard? #781209
    Supermarine305
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    John. The point of this thread is if this ‘Escort fighter needing to have escort fighters’ is something a myth that has gained traction through retelling rather than through available evidence. And whether this has tarnished the reputation of the Bf 110 unfairly.

    The secondary question is if the Bf 110 was misused by the German high command and put it to use during the BoB in a way the negated its speed advantage over RAF fighters.

    And while no slight on Gunston’s own service in the RAF I would take Eric Brown’s opinion, as a contemporary source who both flew the type and was able to speak to its pilots in their own language, as golden.

    in reply to: US Senator John McCain dies aged 81 #782218
    Supermarine305
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    Spources please, Chad. Provide sources likes Snopes does.
    :stupid:

    in reply to: Bf 110s "needed their own escorts" a canard? #782896
    Supermarine305
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    And if the Bf110 has to give up its superior in speed so ‘slower bombers’ could keep up it suggest the type wasn’t used to its full advantage.

    in reply to: Bf 110s "needed their own escorts" a canard? #783051
    Supermarine305
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    he report went onto state that as a result of this battle that the ‘Me110 altho’ very fast and manoeuvrable for a twin engine aircraft, can easily be outmanoeuvred by a Hurricane’.

    If you take the above quote as unexceptional, then the answer to the OPs question is yes, the 110 needed the protection of more agile single seater fighters when operating in the fighter role.

    The comments regard the manoeuverability of the Bf110 versus the Hurricane, not its speed. The Bf110 being faster than the Hurricane might not have needed an escort if speed was used as a defense.

    Much would depend on how the Luftwaffe instructed its Bf110 pilots on the type’s do’s and don’ts. I would assume one of the big don’ts was not to get in a dogfight with nimble single seat fighters.

    in reply to: Museu Aeroespacial, Brazil #787831
    Supermarine305
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    An interesting collection.

    Though I might not be the only one to half expect Baloo to hop out of the yellow C-82 Packet

    in reply to: Crashed Ju-52 in Switzerland 4,08,2018(MERGED) #792190
    Supermarine305
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    The Tobago crash apparently involved two children among the four fatalities.

    RIP those invloed in both crashes.

    in reply to: RAFM Hawker Typhoon returns to the UK #795636
    Supermarine305
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    Has MN235 been repatriated with its missing radiator that was dug up at Freeman(?) Airfield a while back.

    If not are their plans to?

    in reply to: Lockheed Hudson upper turrets WWII #796845
    Supermarine305
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    Ah, the Botha:

    “This aeroplane is complete junk and the only chance of it killing Germans is if we let them fly it! They’re unfit for service and we’ve got over 500 of the blasted things. What should we do?”

    “I heard the training units could do woth a few planes.”

    “Capital idea! That’ll sort the wheat from the chaff.”

    in reply to: Scampton Up For Sale #798695
    Supermarine305
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    Don’t know how it is criminal damage as it is their aeroplane to do with what they want

    Rather they are custodians of some of the UK’s aviation and military heritage so it would be good of them to leave it at least in the condition they find it or even better if the can. Isn’t that what a museum is for?

    I would like to think they have removed the originals and had new shorter ones made.

    So would I. Cutting the original struts for the floats wouldn’t be criminal damage. But it would be unnecerssarily destructive and an abdication of their duty to preserve.

    Supermarine305
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    Just seen that Sheppard33 on post #39 has on offer a instruction book for an AS Genet.
    https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?91762-Original-DH-airframe-Engine-Manuals/page2

    Would that be of help?

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