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  • in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2314661
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    Government to Obtain 126 French Rafale Aircrafts by End 2012

    In an address to a question raised by an MLA about the selection process of Rafale fighter planes, the Indian government said it is seeking to secure 126 French Rafale combat aircrafts by the end of this financial year.

    According to the Press Trust of India, the government will soon resume the contract negotiation of the multi-billion dollar deal. Defense Minister A K Antony has ordered the examination of Rafale procurement process following the former MP Mysura Reddy’s blame over the selection process.

    The defense minister had earlier written a letter to Reddy stating the order given to Contract Negotiations Committee (CNC) to continue with the negotiations. “The issues raised by you were examined by Independent monitors who have concluded that the approach and methodology adopted by the CNC in the evaluation of the commercial proposals thus far has been reasonable and appropriate and within terms of the Request for Proposal and Defense Procurement Procedure.” Antony said in the letter.

    He also promised Reddy that before taking any further steps the Defense Ministry would re-examine the entire process to ensure the reasonableness and fairness of the deal.

    “Before any further action is taken, the entire issue of approach and methodology adopted by the CNC to determine the L-1 vendor as well as your letter and other references received in this regard will be re-examined by the Defence Ministry to ascertain that the entire procurement process is reasonable, appropriate and as per the laid down procedure,” Antony had said.

    The Indian Defense Ministry and Dassault, a French company, got into a $10.4 billion deal early February for the supply of 126 Rafale twin-jet combat aircrafts. As per the deal Indian law required the company to manufacture 18 aircrafts first before it gets into a partnership with any Indian local company.

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2318562
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    Talks on only with French company for 126 Rafale aircraft:Govt

    Press Trust of India / New Delhi August 23, 2012, 21:20

    The Defence Ministry today said it was talking only to the French Dassault Aviation for procuring 126 Rafale aircraft under a multi-billion dollar tender.

    “We are not talking to anyone except Dassault Aviation whose Rafale aircraft has been selected as the lowest bidder in the multi-billion dollar contract,” Defence Ministry sources said here.

    The Ministry was responding to reported claims made by German and Russian officials that India was discussing the contract with them and there was a possibility of the project being retendered.

    There have been questions earlier after which Defence Minister A K Antony decided to review the process to determine the lowest bidder in the deal bagged by French Rafale after defeating European Eurofighter.

    Defence Ministry has also resumed the process of negotiating the price of the 126 aircraft with French Dassault Aviation after it was halted briefly following objections from former MP Mysura Reddy.

    Also reported here

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2320250
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    Indian’s Rafale would remain largely produced in France

    Because of the technological complexity of the fighter, the majority of the workload in the production of 126 fighter jets to India should be provided by French companies.

    Negotiations continue to go well between Dassault Aviation and the Indian Department of Defense to reach an agreement. The two partners have not yet converted into a commercial contract the selection of the Rafale that took place in February, placing the French manufacturer as the exclusive partner for the acquisition of 126 fighters. Dassault Aviation, is reassuring on the progress of negotiations, highlighting the complexity of technical, commercial, and legal negotiations of this type of deal.

    Moreover, little is known of the industrial sharing between the two countries. Only certainty: 18 aircraft will be assembled in the factory of Dassault Merignac, Gironde and the remaining 108 in India . However, sources indicate that the French division of labor remain very much in favor of French, even believing that they would keep well over 50% of production associated with all future contract.

    That would be good news for the Franco-French supply chain of the Rafale: the manufacturer does indeed contract almost exclusively to French companies for the production of its combat aircraft. In total, 500 companies are involved mobilizing about 7,000 jobs.

    THE OBSTACLE OF TECHNOLOGICAL COMPLEXITY

    Several factors could explain this favourable share to French industrialists, despite the original tender issued by New Delhi included industrial offsets amounting to 50% of the contract value as well as technology transfer. First, as for commercial aircraft of type Boeing or Airbus , assembling a fighter represent only a modest fraction of the total value of the unit, about 15% according to some experts.

    Second Indian companies are far away from mastering the technology to produce the complex electronic equipments present in the Rafale. Their contribution could therefore be quite limited at first, and organized around elements of the fuselage, the wings, the canopy … As to produce sub-critical assemblies of the device as the radar antenna active electronics of Thales , the mastery of these skills appears remote.

    Third, the Indian government is seeking to benefit from expertise of France and its military aircraft manufacturer, to reorganize its military aircraft industry.

    Discussion points between the Indian and French partners is not lacking, which augur yet long months of negotiations before signing the final contract.

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    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2320254
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    $10bn Rafale deal not final yet: German leader

    NEW DELHI: While not making any noise about India’s decision to prefer the French Rafale fighter over Eurofighter Typhoon, Germany is still trying to negotiate with India for the over $10 billion medium-range multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) deal. Germany is one of the key nations behind the European consortium which has designed the Typhoon.

    The deputy chief of the ruling CDU-led coalition’s parliamentary committee in Bundestag (lower house of Parliament) for foreign and defence affairs, Andreas Schockenhoff, told TOI on Wednesday that the last word had not yet been heard on the MMRCA deal.

    India and France are currently having “exclusive” talks over pricing and other issues for the 126-aircraft deal and the defence ministry maintains that there is no question of reviewing the decision to enter into negotiations with Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation.

    “There have been discussions between German and Indian officials and I can say that this is not a closed book yet,” said Schockenoff, a close aide of Chancellor Angela Merkel, who is in India on a four-day visit.

    “As far as I know, there is not yet a commercial order committed by the Indian government. The Eurofighter manufacturers are working again on the offer and this is a subject of negotiations between the European consortium and the Indian government,” he added.

    Schockenhoff met senior defence ministry officials, including minister of state for defence Pallam Raju, but said he had not raised the issue during his visit to India.

    Interestingly, the comments by Schockenhoff come close on the heels of remarks by a Russian government spokesperson who said India was likely to refloat the tender as negotiations between India and France had failed. Russia’s MiG-35 fighter jet too was part of the bid but lost in the preliminary stages.

    Unlike as in the UK, another country associated with the Eurofighter where the reaction to India’s decision bordered on the wild, the initial reaction in Germany was restrained. The government did say though that exclusive talks don’t necessarily lead to actual sale.

    The Eurofighter was said to have lost out to Rafale because of cost and expensive maintenance issues and also because of Rafale’s similarities to the French Mirage 2000 fighters being used by the IAF.

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2321447
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    India also interested in other jets

    THE SALE OF RAFALE IN QUESTION?

    New Delhi expects the production of 200 Indo-Russian stealth fighter by 2022. The government has already planned to send within two weeks a director of Hindustan Aeronautics, one of the largest aerospace companies in India, as well as experts from the Indian Air Force to Russia. The signing of the preliminary design, estimated at $ 11 billion is at stake.

    Hindustan Aeronautics and Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation are equally involved in the project. On the technical side, India will contribute in terms of computing and navigation systems, cockpits and counter-measures.

    So what about the Rafale? According to the national press, India embarking on this joint program with Russia does not call into question its intent to acquire 126 Rafales of Dassault Aviation to rapidly modernize its fleet of fighters. The first prototype of 5th generation fighter with Russia is to be launched in 2014.

    After yet another delay for the purchase of fighter from Brazil – a project in which the aircraft was well positioned French – the Rafale program couldn’t survive a new obstacle to its export marketing .

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2321450
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    Russia hopes India will refloat MMRCA tender

    IMO any disagreement of the Rafale deal would put the L2 back into the competition rather than restarting it…

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2321453
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    Indian Navy Freezes Flat-Top Configuration

    The navy has been known to want to deploy heavier fighters from a carrier. Still, the freeze on a flat-top catapult-launch design also dramatically changes the navy’s future fighter requirement. In 2009, the service invited information to support a purchase of aircraft for deck-based operations, which did not specify launch type but had been presumed to be Stobar. Several companies were asked for information: Russia’s MiG and Sukhoi for the MiG-29K and Su-33, respectively; Dassault Aviation with the Rafale (noting that the Rafale could be modified for Stobar operations); Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter; Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; and two aircraft concepts—Saab’s Sea Gripen and Eurofighter’s Naval Typhoon.

    A catapult carrier could narrow the field to a competition involving a modified Su-33, the F/A-18, F-35C and Rafale. The Rafale—currently in final negotiations for the Indian air force’s largest-ever fighter purchase, worth around $12 billion for 126 aircraft—has already pushed its case with the navy, underlining type commonality.

    Officials at Eurofighter said they had heard about the navy’s plans with the second aircraft carrier, and agreed that such a decision would all but rule out the Naval Typhoon from future navy contests. “The Typhoon can be modified for Catobar operations, but it is unlikely that the economies of such a modification will work out. And this is before we even talk numbers of aircraft,” says a senior EADS executive in India.

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    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2321564
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    Russia hints India could refloat MMRCA tender

    New Delhi: A senior Russian official has hinted that India could cancel the results of the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender and refloat it.

    A report in the The Hindu newspaper quoted Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Vyacheslav Dzirkaln as saying that India and France had failed to reach agreement on crucial issues including technology transfer and financial terms.

    Dzirkaln indicated that Russia would bid again if the tender was refloated. The Russian MiG-35 fighter had been eliminated in the early stages of the MMRCA competition.

    French company Dassault Aviation’s Rafale had won the $10.4 billion deal to supply 126 MMRCA to the Indian Air Force (IAF).

    According to sources, Rafale won the multi-billion dollar deal as it was found to be similar to the French Mirage 2000 fighter jet, which is already being operated by the IAF.

    Rafale beat the Eurofighter Typhoon to bag the deal. Rafale was preferred as its commercial bid was lower than Eurofighter Typhoon. The Eurofighter bid was backed by four partner nations – Germany, Spain, Italy and the United Kingdom.

    The IAF had invited bids from military aviation majors to supply 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraf for which six contenders – Russia’s MIG- 35, USA’s F-16 Falcon (Lockheed Martin), F-18 Hornet (Boeing), Swedish Saab Gripen, European EADS EuroFighter Typhoon and Rafale.

    Following lengthy field trials across the globe the Typhoon and Rafale were shortlisted while the rest were rejected as they failed to meet the technical qualifications specified by the IAF.

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    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2321568
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    Brazil’s defense industry booms

    […]This year, Rousseff approved incentives to boost production and domestic purchases, and Brazil has bought conventional submarines and helicopters from France, insisting on technology transfer and assembly on its territory.

    It also resurrected a plan to develop, beginning in 2016, its first nuclear-powered fast attack submarine.

    And a government decision is awaited on awarding a multibillion dollar contract for 36 fighter jets. The Rafale, made by French firm Dassault, is competing against US aviation giant Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and Swedish manufacturer Saab’s Gripen jet for the contract.

    “We need this industry because it is strategic for our sovereignty, because of the size of our territory, the length of our borders and because we have been blessed with enormous (natural) wealth,” Rousseff has said.

    The Brazilian defense market is attracting foreign interest despite the world economic slowdown.

    “There is a clear movement of foreign firms seeking partnerships with Brazilian counterparts,” a strategy which offers technology transfer to Brazil while foreigners gain access to government contracts that give priority to the domestic industry, Oswaldo Luiz Guimaraes, engineering manager at the Brazilian firm Jaragua, told AFP.

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2321628
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    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2321633
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    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2335199
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    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2336092
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    EFT wasn’t pre selected in the Brazilian competition because too expansive, the F-35 has little chance because even more expansive and very little to be gained in terms of ToT, beside the fact Brazil wouldn’t get its first aircraft before 2023… Well unless more countries keep reducing their orders.

    You don’t build nuclear submarines unless you intend to build nuclear missiles at some point in the future, making cooperation with France very important especially as they’re going to be the only country aside the US with high tech nuclear simulation etc allowing countries like India and Brazil to reduce the need for real testing.

    So that leaves Rafale as long as ToT will be a important factor, F18 as its best competitor vs capabilities, and Gripen for the price.

    I’m sure they’ll keep this dragging as long as they can in order to get the best price and IMO that include waiting for the Indian deal to be signed.

    But given Brazil ambition to sell whichever jet they select to Latin America, I think Rafale is the best option as I doubt the US will allow the SH to be sold to Venezuela and the like.

    in reply to: Dassault Rafale #14 – News & Discussion #2336095
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