Vnomadthe report cannot even forecast correctly current year growth let alone some thing long term. better to discard it. I am am not even going into bogus inflation created growth.
And who told you forecasting short term outlook is easier than long term outlook. And the ‘inflation created growth’ doesn’t work the way you think it does.
there is no chance of it. even best of times 2000 to 2014. it barely touches $40b on distributions.
There you go again, engaging your mouth before you engage your brain (not that you do a lot of the latter). The current year’s capital budget was about $14.5 billion. Assuming no growth for sake of argument, and disregarding inflation, over seven years that equals $101.5 billion. Which means you get the usual dose of contempt for the garbage you spew out.
VnomadBit surprised by the sweeping generalisations regarding economic growth. “Most commentators”!? Really. The FT, The Economist and the OECD all state the obvious, but we are moving off topic.
Despite Current Downturn, Long-Term Growth Prospects for India bright – World Bank
The other deals were indeed funded, but the point the PM of India is making,is that India cannot sustain that level of defence spending at current growth rates.
At the current growth rates, the Indian MoD has about $100 billion to spend on capital acquisitions till the end of the decade.
VnomadMountain,
Reply on IAF thread.
Vnomadfor now, it is part of the overall system and its data is fused into the general picture issued from all sensors combined and presented to the pilot on the screen in front of him, it should allow to actively defend against IR missiles, besides a probable ability to display its image in the future and eventually be used for more than just anti-missile protection
For now, “looking through the floor” is not implemented yet on the Rafale
So basically what you’re saying is that the Rafale has 360 deg MAWS coverage. I don’t think that was in dispute though.
VnomadEODAS unique as passive sensor able to track all around the plane? No, there’s a little Eurocanard, already operational…
How does the pilot employ it without an HMDS?
VnomadYes and no, obviously they have overspent this year, but there seems to be a concern about a long term economic slowdown as per the posted report
On the contrary, most commentators foresee strong economic growth over the long term. The current paralysis in particular will end only once the new government is voted in.
Also, they haven’t overspent – with about a month left in the financial year, the MoD has spent 92% of its capital budget.
What I do not understand is that for years, whilst all these “deals” were being negotiated and vendors were led up the garden path, not a single person realised the issue of funds. I would think even Dassault would have done some due diligence on how they would be paid or where the money was coming from.
All deals signed so far – C-130J, C-17, P-8I, Hawk, Mi-17 as well as MiG and Mirage upgrades are completely funded. As for the MMRCA, while it ought to be scrapped, its not over yet.
VnomadYou still need money, no matter what plane you decide to buy, and there seems to be none in the pot…
PM hints at trimming defence budget, says need to ‘cut our coat according to our cloth’
Trimming the defence budget isn’t the same as there being ‘no money’. Even after reduction, the capital acquisitions budget for the (now ending) financial year stood at about $17 billion. Extrapolating from that, the Indian MoD will be disbursing funds totalling well over $100 billion upto 2020. Making a partial payment for the Rafale and/or PAK FA won’t exactly bankrupt the state.
The focus for the GoI right now is controlling the immediate fiscal deficit, which means delaying the Rafale deal if necessary. Ideally, the experience should wean the Indian military off ‘premium’ purchases and instil a greater focus on obtaining value-for-money. Whether that will happen remains to be seen.
VnomadCourtesy of the speed limit, altitude limit, structural & heat issues, and abysmal sortie rate, F-22 Raptor never left IOC stage, and never will
Speed & altitude restrictions aren’t operative anymore. Operational availability is comparable to, if not better than, the F-15C and F-15E.
That’s a little bit unfair:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-removes-bulk-of-f-22-operating-restrictions-379056/
The flying restrictions have completely been removed now for modified aircraft. Here’s a newer article –
Vnomadthese figures have the same reliability as China defence budget of less than $150b. as I said China has deep contempt for its so called 50% crude import partners.
Its your unsupported word (worthless as usual) versus widely published circulated undisputed figures. I believe I’ll stick with the latter. And China’s ‘deep contempt’ for XYZ has nothing to do with the price of crude, but true to character, off you go a tangent. :highly_amused:
PAK-FA is the highest kinematic fighter with TVC turning ability. in net centric environment with long range ground, ship and space based radars. I don’t think it has to worry anything from behind.
Lol. On one hand you want to claim that combat will be straight line (thus requiring only frontal stealth) and at the same time play up the aircraft’s supermaneuverability.
Vnomad50% of crude. whose figure is that. certainly not Chinese government. I am very skeptical about this numbers. China largest investment funds in Venzuela. and China does not give that much importance to plight of Arabs. see Syria.
If I had any respect for you, your skepticism might have carried some weight. If you want to find a source for the fact that over 50% of China’s crude import comes from the Middle East, use this wonderful tool.
frontal stealth necessary as your going towards the target.
As if the enemy will have only one asset situated exactly at 12 o’clock to the aircraft. :rolleyes:
Vnomadagain, we agree, but is it Dassaults fault if Indias acquiring process takes ages? They will gladly sell aircraft to India, but they can’t do so (nobody can, for that matter) under any terms.. If india asks to do things in a way it can’t be done, or a way that is unacceptable for any manufacturer (for example, asking that Dassault takes the whole responsibility for anything that happens, even if it’s entirely HAL’s fault) things obviously take time. The major problem for India is that their fighter fleet is slowly shrinking as months pass by, while Dassault lives from its bizjets, has French orders to keep it busy on the Rafale on a gentle pace, and can afford to loose several more years if India drags its feet too long. Now some, in India, complain it takes too long… they should think first before pointing fingers 😉
Well Dassault isn’t responsible for most of delay, though the HAL production mechanism was specified in the RFP, so that can hardly have been treated as negotiable by the MoD.
As for falling squadron numbers, the circumstances might be a blessing in disguise for the domestic aviation industry. For the cost of one Rafale, they can acquire 4 to 5 Tejas aircraft. Couple the latter with force multipliers like the Su-30MKIs & ERJ-145 based AEW&C units and throw in some Nirbhay LRCMs, and that’ll take care of the gamut of missions required by the IAF.
VnomadVnomad, so US 6G can have a RAS for a duct, but the T-50’s PMC duct can’t, not absurd much?
I don’t want to comment on technology available two decades into the future based on artwork.
Vnomadwe agree on that, but what I wanted to underline is that any eventual delay is mostly due to them… if they really wanted the Rafales now, the French would be able to provide them (and as was said a number of times before, Dassault without any modification to its structure could build as much as 24 aircraft per year if needed (for more, they’d need to enlarge their facilities). It’s mostly about the India’s will to build in India and their cash availability.
Trouble here again is that the MMRCA RFP explicitly called for 18 aircraft delivered off-the-shelf with the remainder delivered through/by HAL. Since that was the basis under which the Rafale and EF teams submitted their cost bids, I’m not sure if the MoD could modify the terms of the competition to that extent, at this stage.
VnomadVnomad, do you know the difference between a gap filler & coating and a radar absorbent [airframe] structure?….while I’m at it:
You said RAM in your post not RAS. And CNT has been proposed for both the airframe structure and RAM coatings.
Do you know what implications the next generation GaN L & S band AWACs will have for stealth aircraft? (for both sides?)
Higher detection and tracking ranges.
Do you understand the complexities of engine-duct backscatter?…and have you noticed no S-ducks on the 6G renditions?
A visual examination would suggest that unless the radar blocker’s fins are highly swept (and they don’t seem to be from the photo in circulation) it will reflect radiation back at the source. Unless of course it can completely absorb it, which would make RAM coatings completely redundant for stealth aircraft.
VnomadA nice bit of *Levsha logic* there! Which of the F-22, F-35 and T-50 was designed with the most recent commercially available computer hardware (and CFD & CAD software)?….and no, CNT RAM cannot be retrofitted to the F-22, certainly not without a hugely costly redesign.
F-35 Stealth Coatings Applied to F-22
The F-22 and the F-35 are similar in that they are both fighter aircraft that are designed from the outset to have stealth characteristics to make them harder to see by enemy radar. With the F-35 being the newer aircraft, it has more advanced radar-absorbing coatings on the surface than the F-22. Lockheed has announced that it is now integrating some of the more advanced coatings the F-35 uses onto the F-22 fighters coming of the assembly line.
“Some of the [low observables] coatings system and gap-fillers that the F-35 had an advantage on, we have incorporated into the Raptor,” said Jeff Babione, vice president and general manager of the F-22 program for Lockheed Martin.
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