what’s funny is that IAF needs aircraft now, and then people complain about delays… Should India ask for it, France would gladly let Dassault switch completely to India’s aircraft right now (which would save a few billions to the french defence budget for the time being), and allow India to start receiving its first Rafales almost immediately
Well that would also mean paying for it now, and Indian govt is going through bit of a … cash flow problem. Over the medium to long term the outlook is fairly bright with affairs widely expected to improve under new management come June this year, but its unfortunate for Dassault that the delayed acquisition process has coincided with an economic slump.
you don’t fully understand this Chinese upfront payments and there long term contracts. China has very little impact on crude prices.
I don’t ‘fully understand’ it because its utter bilge. About 50% of China’s crude is still shipped in from the Middle East. And only a portion of it is covered under long term supply contracts, which means the annual increment in demand does impact the global price of crude.
those who can afford PAK-FA can also afford long range super SAMs 2020 around major airbases. There is no chance of any one getting into returning fighters. other fighters simply don’t have the fuel to reach such base. and PAK-fA is expected to have the highest altitude and speed with longest AAMs so any chance of AWACs in the area is minimal.
Indeed. Thanks to ‘super SAM 2020’ and ultra-long range AAMs, even frontal stealth isn’t needed… in your parallel universe.
Ah, ok now i get you, but that imply there are no more formations, but rather assets spread out in the volume,
friendly mixed with foes throughout the entire volume, something i believe only ever can happen in WVR in a really confused dogfight,
and here RCS wont matter at all, but rather pilot skill & a no small amount of chance
In the event of a war over a broad frontage (eg. India-China or South China Sea) you’ll have air operations is neighboring sectors spilling over into the immediate fight. Plus you’ll almost certainly see AWACS operating in depth, which may not be able to able to track stealth fighters in the frontal aspect but if they engage in hard maneuvering or turn to return to base, that may change. Point I’m trying to make is that rear-aspect stealth is not a superfluous feature, even for an air-superiority fighter.
Yes, theoretically the shooter can fling tail aspect rockets at any range below or above 20 km, that much is true,
but its a pitiful waste of money above.
At what alt and relative speed btw ?
Why ‘tail-aspect rocket’? The issue is the PAK-FA’s RCS from the rear aspect. Which implies only the radiating platform needs to be tail-on, and can hand off targeting data to a shooter that’s elsewhere (it could for example be sitting at 50k ft at 3 o’clock to the target).
You will be surprised
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?113735-missile-flight-theory&p=1835045#post1835045
The assumption there is that the missile is launched at range in a tail-on aspect. However in the scenario in question, the launch platform is not necessarily 100km off. Only the radiating fighter (could be an AWACS too) needs to be on or near the PAK FA’s six. The shooter could be at any orientation and range.
Like has been repeated a million times, Sukhoi has made an S-ducted, flat bottomed, hell even black plane. They chose the T-50 layout not because they could not do it another way.
Your post reeks of “It aint the Amarican way, it must not work!”.
The same question can be posed from the other side as well – the Americans have fielded an aircraft employing radar-blockers as well; the Super Hornet. Why did they opt for S-ducts instead of radar-blockers in the F-22?
China is getting pipeline gas and oil and it imported oil is very small portion of energy mix. any boom that reduce profits is not a boom.
And piped crude doesn’t have to be paid for, huh? And you think (relatively) low global oil prices will result in high profitability for an oil company?
if it is returning why it has to worry about signature. it has the longest range and tail chase engagement are highly unlikely due to limitation of missile ranges.
Will the war come to a halt while it returns to base? Do you think it can outrun a Mach 4 missile?
Accurate in that it was staged and leaked for the aforementioned political purposes, sure.
Either way, the report did come from the IAF. As far purpose goes, I did suggest something similar (but not related to the Rafale).
Pakfa will be flying higher faster and higher than anything else. there is no way any fighter can be behind it as all fighters will be flying below it. improvement in IRST technology means you cannot reduce from rear at all.
And when the aircraft has to return to base, do you put it in reverse or does call-sign ‘JSR’ do a circumnavigation of the Earth?
It has nothing to do with China. it is explosion in population in middleast with dsysfunctional economies and unemployable that most of Oil will be consumed domestically nothing left for exports. shale oil will only survive for long term when prices rises. otherwise you can see the falling profits. Pluse $800b in Russia procurement will have very negative impact on middleast politics.
– Consumption in China, the biggest importer of crude in the world, has ‘nothing to do’ with oil prices?
– Middle East with a population of just 350M and a ‘dysfunctional economy’ will consume all of its oil production domestically?
– Shale oil is a futuristic energy source not relevant to current prices? (This despite the US already becoming the largest producer of hydrocarbons in the world, and set to be the largest producer of crude by 2015).
The real question is, do you not know you sound stupid, or do you know and decide to speak up anyway?
Or do you teach a class on trolling, with this just being a case-study for Monday morning’s lecture?
That is provided those minutes of the meeting were accurate, in context and summarized as such. Which remains to be confirmed.
Well it should have been fairly simple for an IAF spokesperson to issue a clarification if not a denial. That they haven’t suggests that the report was sufficiently accurate.
Unfortunately Chinese has not inked a single piece of public data on J-20, it is large and has very low drag for that size,
so we can tell the design is suited for SC, that’s about it.
Well there is the issue of the engine. The AL-31 is a reliable workhorse but the (FN variant’s) thrust is likely insufficient, to add to which its not designed for sustained super-cruise.
it is fluctuating at this price because of over investment in past companies were hoping 2008 price spike.
Ordinarily I don’t mind minor spelling mistakes or grammatical errors as long as the sentence makes sense. ^ this sentence on the other hand makes no sense at all.
It may not quadruple but it will go up. there is also other factors
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/31/business/fourth-quarter-earnings-fall-at-exxon-mobil-and-shell.html?_r=0
http://www.rttnews.com/2261358/chevron-q4-profit-falls-quick-facts.aspx
These factors are utterly meaningless. They’re probably the first thing that came up when you googled it.
FYI, the factors that would really matter are the
a) growth rates in emerging economies, particularly China
b) production increment
– Iran & Iraq exports
– Shale oil revolution
IAF may as well get use to less squadrons, and better come to terms with that fact before buying a/c they won’t have cash to operate anyway.
In the short term, bury some Mig-21 and get another batch of Su-30, in the long term, focus on making Tejas 2 competitive performance wise,
it is already ahead cost wise
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I’m not sure what the source of that graph is but the US crude is currently fluctuating around $95/barrel as of 2014. Even assuming the global economy improves, with increasing exports from Iran and Iraq, the price is likely to stay steady around $100/bl. Its certainly not going to quadruple before 2020.
order cut means that they cannot afford 244 FGFA. which was very unrealistic number. They simply cannot have any leverage.
Nobody knows what India may or may not be able to afford in 2027.