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  • in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188161
    Vnomad
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    I’d only be comfortable with the f-35 if it can show in actual flight testing the ability to be on par with or better than the other aircraft WVR. It would also be interesting to see just how stealthy it is against IRST and from the side. The BVR argument for the F35 is a lot of wishful thinking. We don’t engage BVR and it will rely on the ability of those missiles to actually hit if we did.

    That is your opinion based on, well.. inference and guesswork.

    On the other hand we have USAF & allies (including the RCAF) who’s judgement is based on activities such as the Combat Archer program (300+ air-to-air missile launches every year)

    And given the money and effort invested by Russia & China on stealth and radar tech, they probably have the same idea.

    What I see are a lot of F35 partners second guessing the program and reducing commitments. Denmark and Canada are both up in the air.

    Are they really? One has to wonder why Saab and Dassault aren’t participating in the Danish competition then. And why Canada still continues to pay to be a member of the F-35 consortium.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2188206
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    INR 90,000 crore = USD 13.43 billion

    INR 65,000 crore = USD 9.70 billion

    Maybe I’m a pessimist, but $3.73 bn doesn’t seem a bridgeable sum to me.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2188210
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    Dassault: French Sale of Rafales to India Still Being Negotiated
    by Thierry Dubois
    – March 10, 2016

    Doesn’t sound like meeting was very fruitful.

    Dassault demands Rs 90,000 cr for Rafale, India won’t give in

    By Kanishka Singh

    – 12 March, 2016

    High-level Indian and French defence negotiators have failed to arrive at a consensus on the pricing of the 36 Rafale jets that India is supposed to purchase from Dassault Aviation, with the French manufacturer refusing to quote anything lower than Rs 90,000 crore for the aircraft. When the Price Negotiation Committee (PNC) met at the North Block in the national capital on Wednesday afternoon, the Indian side was not willing to go beyond Rs 65,000 crore to buy the 36 jets in fly-away condition, said sources in the Ministry of Defence (MoD). The French manufacturer, Dassault Aviation, on the other hand, asked for Rs 90,000 crore. Ministry sources said that Dassault is not willing to bring the price down, but has added some incentives in terms of support and spares in its new proposal.

    A top source in the MoD, who is a part of the PNC and is, thus, privy to the development, told this newspaper, “The Defence Minister (Manohar Parrikar) is playing hardball. Obviously, the French have quoted an obscene amount of money for these planes. We are clear that we will not be bullied into buying overpriced jets. We are the ones who are buying. We will decide what to buy and how much we want to pay. They want around 12 billion euros for the jets. We have told them that we will not give you more than 8 billion euros. Negotiations are on, but we have not been able to come to a compromise.”

    The source also added, “The minister is not willing to pay over the top. A strong lobby is pushing for the deal to be signed soon. They are trying to create some urgency in government circles and in the public. They are hoping that this will put pressure on the hasty signing of the deal, without much bargaining. The minister has made it clear to the acquisition committee that if the French do not give in to our price demands and stay adamant then we may look into other options.

    A compromise could not be reached on the price during the visit of French President Francoise Hollande in January. “That is why the deal was stalled,” said the MoD source.

    Meanwhile, Eric Trappier, chairman of Dassault Aviation said that they were in the “final phase” of the negotiation and were working towards setting up a “real partnership” with Indian industry, instead of the usual offset that requires investments in unrelated sectors.

    The Rafale is a Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA). According to the proposed deal, a total of 36 nuclear-capable Rafale jets will be delivered to India in fly-away condition. These jets will be equipped with high-end weapons systems, array radars, beyond-visual-range missiles and defensive weapons systems, among other features. The deal also includes a long-term support and maintenance package with Dassault, with provisions of upgrade.

    The Indo-French High Committee meeting, which was scheduled for 9 and 10 March was chaired by Defence Secretary G. Mohan Kumar. Defence industry, research, technology transfer and procurement were the key areas of focus of the meeting. The parties discussed the status of several defence deals between the two countries, including the Short Range Surface to Air Missile joint development deal. “During the meeting, the French delegation gave an amended proposal to the previous one. We are assessing it and will get back to them shortly,” said the source.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188449
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    There’s a simple way to find out: make an open competition…

    Who decides the definition of an “open competition”?

    Should the requirements include stealth? [F-35]
    Should they include a two-engine requirement? [EF]
    How much customization for interoperability with the USAF should be mandated? [Rafale]
    Should there be a price cap, and if so how high? [Gripen E]
    When should the deliveries be scheduled? [SH]

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2188456
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    That doesn’t contradict what MSphere said.
    It doesn’t say they’re indigenously designed.

    These are Thales designed displays. We know that from the shopping list for Russian Su-30SMs where they are sourced directly from France.

    Actually they’re not. Anything of Thales-origin (such as the Topsight/TopOwl) is built by Samtel-Thales, a subsidiary. The MFDs however are a Samtel-HAL product. Different company.

    From the Samtel Group website –

    http://i.imgur.com/nrL7Tum.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2188457
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    That’s entirely possible but not the one installed in the Su-30MKI or MiG-27UPG.

    Like I said, I’m not sure about the orders. But a picture really doesn’t help unless we know how its dated. The Su-30s built in the last decade for example had displays from Thales, while those built over the last five years have Samtel displays.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188518
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    Well the RCAF is currently mandated to undertake NORAD and NATO responsibilities. Not sure even the Liberals could extract them from those treaty obligations. Either way, the contest will be a winner take all.

    Sure, I was putting out a hypothetical. In reality of course, given the new timeline, this is still the F-35’s to lose.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188527
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    Affordability of the f35 is not the only issue. The SOR was written to exclude other vendors on false prioritization of stealth capabilities.

    Stealth will improve survival odds in any combat mission where a hostile threat exists. If however, the RCAF’s sole overriding objective is to tag bomber patrols and perform COIN missions cheaply, a mix of the F-15C/D bought second-hand and a two seat FA-50/Tejas (doubling up as an AJT/LIFT jet) will do nicely.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2188584
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    Nope.. The HUD is Elbit SU967 type developed by El-Op.

    The displays are AMCD55 and AMCD66 type by Thales. They are license made by Samtel and also used in Jaguar DARIN and MiG-27UPG upgrades

    Samtel-HAL has developed a HUD, though I’m not sure of the status of orderbook. As for the MFDs –

    Indigenously made multifunction displays to replace imported MFDs on Su30 MKIsOct 2010

    Samtel HAL Display Systems – a joint venture between Samtel Display Systems and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited has announced that it has received the production clearance from RCMA (Regional Centre for Military Airworthiness), CEMILAC for induction of indigenously made multi-function displays on Sukhoi 30 MKI aircraft. Subsequent to this approval, Samtel HAL will begin the deliveries of the 5”x5” and 6”x6” multifunction displays (MFDs) to HAL within the next week for inducting on Su30 MKIs.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2188593
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    Actually, if memory serves the MFDs and HUD are indigenous units developed and manufactured by Samtel, in JVs with HAL/DRDO. Samtel also license-builds the Thales Topsight HMD.

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2188613
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    Right, keep on comparing the F-35 development with other programs that had like 4 times less money available to make your point. As if anyone would take that kind of argument seriously.

    The argument that the F-35 is better funded vis a vis its peers and thus has superior upgrade prospects will matter to the countries faced with a choice between them. Canada, Finland and Belgium for example. Maybe even India.

    in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2188888
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    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-studying-future-attack-aircraft-options-422936/

    I almost stuck this piece in the JSF topic because it has quite an impact on that program. If this goes forward (and in my opinion it should), that might mean something like two to three hundred F-35A getting slashed from the USAF orders right there.

    Personally, I don’t understand why they don’t simply further expand the Reaper fleet. Cheap. In-service. Not very fast but more than makes up for it with its tremendous endurance (40 hrs+). Nor is it limited by pilot fatigue levels. Arm it with the new APKWS Hydra rocket pods (instead of the Hellfire/Griffin), and the mission cost drops steeply. And if the air force brass shows some wisdom, it can be piloted by NCOs, freeing up expensive combat pilots for more relevant tasks.

    Will it be capable of CAS? With two EFTs and 52 laser guided rockets, low speed loiter capability and multiple operators on high def screens assisting… I’d say its the next best thing to an AC-130.

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2188974
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    Per some news that came out last year, much of the current EOTS can be used to make an AdvEOTS. This means that when an upgrade is made, the existing EOTS can be rebuilt to an AdvEOTS.

    Seems it functions even more like a standard LDP pod in that respect, if true. As I understand it, the majority of Litening G4/Sniper XR deliveries consist of rebuilds of older variants rather than new units.

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188988
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    If mixed fleets were cost prohibitive, we would not have welcomed bidders on FWSAR to consider submitting mixed fleet proposals. If it gives you optimized capability, you look at it.

    Did the offer result in any mixed fleet proposals?

    in reply to: Canadian Fighter Replacement #2188998
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    Does ‘Unit Operations’ include fuel?

    I’d think so. Doesn’t fit under the manpower or maintenance heading.

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