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  • in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2158719
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    i do think that unless GB pushes hard, Meteor won’t be modified to fit into internal bays,
    its the only customer that would contemplate paying i think,
    hope some brit can suggest the odds in favor

    The Meteor is, in principle, a pan-European project, but given its roots (like the Eurofighter) its primarily an Anglo-German program. With UK entering a JV with Japan on the Meteor, its all but certain that the Meteor will be integrated on the F-35. As things stand the UK operates only the older Aim-120-C5 variant, ordered in 2004 as a bridge to the Meteor. The future RAF fleet will be exclusively equipped with the Meteor (though the Brimstone 2 may give way to the SDB II for the SPEAR 3 requirement).

    Japan, Britain To Collaborate On Meteor Guidance

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2159186
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    What language is the software for Russian aircraft written in? Have they adopted C/C++ or is a Russian analogue employed instead?

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2159226
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    During the Indian evaluation, the Rafale has demonstrated SC M1.4 with four AAMs and two guided bombs, so it’s range at M1.4 which really has practical use for the Rafale.

    Err.. no it didn’t. At least no such demonstration was publicly reported.

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2159767
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    1. There are no MiG-21s available for that, anymore. The production ended three decades ago.
    2. Russia is not a politically acceptable vendor for everyone..

    So if the Mig-21 was still in production and the political factor was absent, that would be your aircraft of choice. And within the option available today, I imagine you’d recommend an AJT like the T-50 over the Gripen to most customers?

    Given the leverage effort LockMart has to make to see few dozens of them I am not entirely sure whether there really is that much need for it.. Those reports showing the F-35 cheaper to buy and run than a Gripen must have cost a truckload of banknotes. But the reputation of the pig is quite laughable, 5 out of 6 news pieces are negative, be it cost, delays or technical issues or performance.. In few years it went from the coolest gadget in town to an idiot’s choice.

    The F-35 was never the ‘coolest gadget in town’. Its always been a magnet for criticism.

    Fortunately for the program, the aircraft isn’t being marketed to the general public to be parked in their garages. The entities that matter don’t rely on ‘news pieces’ to make their decisions – its already got a dozen confirmed customers (more if you count the services independently) with at least another half dozen in line.

    The rest of the club (Rafale/EF/Gripen/SH) will have to be content will its leavings.

    F-35s throwing bombs at ISIS Humvees, talk about cost efficiency.. exactly why do you need stealth for such mission?

    Indeed. Or AESA, supercruise, IRST, sensor fusion, MAWS and everything else offered by the F-35 competitors. An MQ-9 will do the job just fine.

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2160176
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    FBW – Your comment about boxing with a flashlight was highly misleading.

    Yeah normally that’s used to describe a radar, and how like a torch it gives away its position. He was talking about it in terms of its limited FoV and how the long ranges registered by IRST manufactures apply only to very focused scans.

    Also, a lot of people here are making the assumption that directional datalink beams are silent and non-directional datalink beams are noisy and that there is little if anything in between.

    Of course directional beams are nice to have, but any antenna has sidelobes; and there are more ways than one to reduce the probability of intercept, detection and (importantly) tracking a datalink. Not everything is a Link 16. Power management, a bit of judicious jamming (fuzz), and designing the system so that you’re not passing a lot of bits in the first place…

    The MADL is supposedly laser-based. Sidelobes aren’t a concern.

    A leading fighter, for example, can have a trailing F-35 illuminate his target with radar. The data in such an operation will be shared via a laser-powered Multifunction Advanced Data Link; the pilots don’t even need to talk to each other.AFMag

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2160455
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    I think that is a very, very disputable statement.

    If both sides were relying solely on their airborne radar to acquire, localise and track, then I *might* agree with you.

    But, they don’t.

    Furthermore, first look does not necessarily equate to first shoot if you are unable to attain or retain as good a flight (launch) profile as the other guy.

    On the contrary, if both parties were using their own radars in a 1-v-1 scenario, that’s a situation where the Eurocanards would have fair-to-good chance against the F-35. Disregarding the LPI element, and (generously) assuming parity in ESM systems, there are three ways that could play out in a head-on BVR setup –

    1. EF/Rafale/Gripen E radiates all the way. F-35 locks onto and closes in to missile range undetected. Launches first. Remains undetected.

    2. F-35 radiates all the way. Follows erratic course to get around FoV limitations. EF/Rafale locks on at long range. F-35 locks on at medium range. Both close in to effective missile range and launch together. EF/Rafale retains energy advantage. F-35 retains VLO edge (reduced range for hostile seeker).

    3. Both fly silent. Close into short range relying on passive systems (EOTS/Talios). Luckier pilot wins.

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    In all other standard setups/situations, where off-board targeting is available to both aircraft (from an AWACS or friendly fighter), the F-35 closes in to missile range undetected and shoots first. Every time.

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2160565
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    Not sure I understood the reasons correctly but it has something to do with Finnish AF maintaining air superiority over Moscow with their F-35s based in Tampere or Kuopio. 😎

    No, it’s about maintaining air superiority over Helsinki when the PAK FA is pasting everything else in the sky. Would you like to bet on the outcome of Finnish deliberations?

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2160571
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    Mmm… that sounds a lot like nonsense to me. You seem to be saying that if you are in a secure area eg Switzerland (and are not under threat) a non-F-35 choice makes sense but if you need to meet some military/security need, you must have F-35.

    No the point was if you’re in a Switzerland’s shoes you don’t need any fighter, F-35 or otherwise.

    F-35 is not a particularly good fighter compared with Rafale, Typhoon and F-15 so why is it your only choice?

    Tell that to all the F-15 drivers that routinely get nailed by the F-22 without the slightest idea where it is. Every professional will bet on the F-35 over the Eurofighter/Rafale/F-15, every time. ACM is all well and good while training under restricted RoE, but no pilot will choose to get into the merge if he can end it at a range of 40nm instead. And fact remains, the F-35 will always enjoy a first-look-first-shoot advantage against the teens and Eurocanards.

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2160909
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    Just looking at Europe we have:

    Bosnia/Serbia/Kosovo comes to mind (1999)
    Ukraine is on the verge (2015/2016).
    Georgia got pretty beat up in 2008.
    Slovenia (vs Yugoslavia) may be on the list if we go back to 1991.
    Transnistria (not technically a country, but is something in between), Moldova are their threat. Still ongoing, had a war in 1993(?).
    Cechnya (when they where sort of separated from Russia), conflict still ongoing but started ca 1992.

    – The Yugoslav successors are all either members of the EU or applicants/aspirants to EU membership, which pretty much nixes the prospect of armed conflict against the majority of European states.
    – Transnistria & Chechnya aren’t nations.
    – Ukraine and Georgia are valid examples that just go to prove the original point. While political & economic realities preclude such an order, nobody can say that the F-35 is ‘overkill’ for either of them.

    On the other hand, if you’re comfortably situated in some other part of Europe such as Switzerland (or a secure part of Asia, like Sri Lanka), then rejecting the F-35 makes perfect sense but ordering another fighter jet can only be driven (internal) political/nationalist factors rather to meet some military/security need.

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2160974
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    And here we go back to the root of the problem. This scenario is a complete nonsense.. How many times in the history of the Ottoman Empire the Turkish F-16s were tasked with air superiority over Baghdad? Zero times? Right, glad you understand what I mean now… The F-35 is only better than an F-16 in scenarios which most air forces never require.. And it utterly fails exactly in those scenarios which are needed every day.. which is interception and maintaining air superiority over the own capital which is ~35 miles away from their landing strip..

    In the last few decades, how many countries have had their capitals menaced by hostile aircraft? So why the advocacy for half measures? Why not call for (and I’m not being facetious here) the countries facing a benign threat environment to abolish their air forces altogether?

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2161743
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    Yawn. So can an APG-68 if you redefine “entire FoV” as a typical AtA 120×20° scan (ok, it takes 11.5s because you lose 3×0.5s repositioning the antenna between each sweep).

    LOL. So when you said, and I quote – scanning the whole FoV will take upward of a minute, you were defining FoV or field-of-view/vision as what? 360 degrees around the aircraft?

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2162035
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    FYI, 3s is the time if takes an APG-68 to perform a 120°x4.9° field. Scanning the whole FoV will take upward of a minute. Reposition of the dish takes 17% of the time so moving to an AESA reduces scan time by 17% at most.

    The APG-81 can scan its entire FoV in 9 seconds extending up to a range of 100nm. Mig-31BM posted a screenshot on the last page.

    JUMP TO 01:00

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2162151
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    What is a fighter sized target? An Su-30 from side or Gripen from front? The RCS can vary like night and day, depending on the angle.

    3 sq. m target according to Thales.

    The question is at what range?
    Too much guesswork involved for my taste..

    It doesn’t matter how high that range is (lets say 200 km+). Its still out of Meteor envelope, to say nothing about the MICA.

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2162156
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    You act as if you had the detection range figures Rafale vs APG-77 and APG-77 vs SPECTRA on the table.. In reality, you’re just guessing..

    Well Thales claims a 150 km+ track range for the RBE-2AA against a fighter sized target. Surely its not too presumptuous to expect the far more powerful APG-77v(1) to track a loaded Rafale at similar ranges?

    As for the SPECTRA vs APG-77, I’ve assumed that the former can not just detect but track the latter’s emission, how can my assumption be any more generous toward the Rafale?

    in reply to: test pilot: "F-35 can't dogfight" #2162183
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    ah, ok, cruise at mach 1.75, engage and disengage at will, twice the lobbing range, gotja

    That’s important perhaps when its been tasked with taking out something like an AWACS (which can track the F-22 at higher ranges than a fighter radar). Race in fast, lob three or four AMRAAMs and then race out before the escorts can engage.

    On the other hand, the F-35 doesn’t need to super-cruise to retain the first-shot capability against any 4th gen fighter.

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