Interesting roundal on EF553 also.
Does any body know what the lighter colour patches are on all three Spit’s just forward of the tails?
Hi all, the lighter coloured patch on MH869 is a doped canvass patch covering the flare tube hole. As too the other three pictures im not sure because they are too far back for flare tube.Maybe part of camoflage !! Mark 12 may have the answer. Nice pictures any way.
Steve.
They are accepting new built Spitfires as new nowadays so there should be no problem in that.
Cheers
Cees
Hi, We dont build new Spits , you just cant do that !!! New build would mean new serial numbers, dont think the CAA would look too favorably on that !!! Every Spitfire put back in the air has provenance , you cant just create a new serial number.
Steve.
Tim Wallace’s one is a Battle Of France veteran I beieve but as it is fully restored and airworthy I do not know how much of the original is there .
Hi all, we rebuilt the wings for this aircraft P3351 back in 1995 at AA whilst hawker restorations did the fuse and other flight critical components. Was great too be part of this rebuild. Thanks to Hawker restorations & Sir Tim Wallis.
Steve.
OK, if it ever see’s light under it’s wheel’s !! one day, perhaps – so what about the rest for example MV 262 ?? and TE517, complete, poss. airworthy – disappeared, then ML119, rebuild for many a long day…
was’nt SX336 around at the same time and now flying perhaps coz it’s a Seafire
how long to rebuild a Spitfire, with all the know how around ??
woodbridge, you seem to have forgotten RM927 a MKXIV whose fuselage is 90% original & under restoration. Also TE184 that is being reassembled at Booker. As for taking toooo long as in your other posting, well these things do take time.
Steve.
Hi all, looks like thats hung on the wall at HFL ,
Steve.
Okay, that’s one option, thanks! Any more out there? What do all you Spit bashers etc use to rivet the little blighters back together?
Hi Lancman, you could try atlas copco for rivet guns. I use a 1940’s one, all steel , just right for me. Newer one’s are probable alloy & steel but i prefer the older heavier type.
Steve.
This isn’t a Merlin piston / connecting-rod (but I think some will have more important issues with the listing).
Hi Creaking door, you are right ! If piston and rod came from RM 689 then it must be out of a griffon. More importantly why is he selling something labled up as “Property of Rolls Royce”
Steve.
Just for my edification then, the kidney bean sliders bear against the doubler of the canopy rail (through which the rail is rivetted to the skin) and the closed part of the rail forward of F11.
The rail is parallel with the skin at all times, and the outer profile of the fuselage changes shape, becoming progressively narrower the further rearward it goes, but the knuckle line remains a constant dimension despite the drg showing there to be only .15″ tolerance between the inside of the canopy frame , and the outside of the rail.
Yes Stuart the knuckle line remains constant dimention of 11″ either side of the centre line. See drg’s no’s I put on earlier posting.
Steve
…to shut it?
Mark
Hi Mart 12, Yes to shut it !!! If you look at the diamentions you will see they are taken from the horizontal datum, the largest 15.38 being fwd & the smallest 14.91 being aft.
I know its only a small run, 0.47″, but up hill it goes .
Steve.
As part of project managing my static Spit fus project, I now need to source some suitable canopy rails….if anyone has any leads or knows where I can get some made please let me know. These are the rails that the canopy ‘beans’ slide in and is therefore fitted to the airframe.
Obviously static originals would be best but I will take anything as I really need to ensure that when the project requires them, we are ready to go…..for your info this fuselage will be part of a display ‘Spitfire Experience’ which will seek to show the public what the Spitfire actually means, what made it the legend etc. There will be the Spit fuz, a Merlin and lots of ‘people’ memorabilia (Spit Fund, trench art etc). I am hoping it will do a bit of travelling to non- and aviation events. The website shows embryo pictures at the moment.
Hi Rocketeer, if you pm me your address i could send you a portion of canopy rail so you could make your own. I think with some wood and a router you could produce the very thing you need, assuming your not going to fly it !!!!
Steve.
In very broard terms, the canopy rail narrows 1/2″ from F11 to the fully open position; as previously stated, at the front fully closed, the width is 23″ approx and at F11, (fully open it) is 22″; some of this change in shape is taken up by the actual sliders which attach to the canopy by pins that are free floating themselves.
I would think problems opening the canopies in service would be a combination of poor alignment of the door, the floating pins not moving as they should, and the fact that the main sliding rails (which are fixed) are aluminium, as is the surface they run on; not a good combination.
I am not familiar with the attachment for the mkI (pre Martin Baker) canopy, perhaps Mk12 can shed some light on this.
Hi Rocketeer, its seems that MK12 is the closest to the mark on canopy rails. Here are some measurements for you to work to. The knuckle line of the canopy rails is 11″ either side of the of the centre line of a/c ALL THE WAY ALONG, so no taper!!! See drg30027 sht 34 cockpit combing & 30027 sht 59 cockpit door. Also 37927-73 for FR12.
The knuckle line is 15.38″ above the datum at the front of the cockpit door. At FR11 it’s 15.12 above the datum & at FR12 its 14.91 above the datum, ref drg 37927-73. So there is an up hill run on the canopy rails.
Hope this ends the confusion.
Steve.
If I remember correctly S Gowans told me that they are 38″ long top hat section 1″ x 1/2″ or 1″ x 5/6″ that become rails when the skin is rivitted on to form a closure with a 1/4″ gap for the slider. I havn’t been brave enough to make any but like you would prefer something I could actually touch so that I can get it right! I see you have a genuine canopy so at least you will get the correct dimensions across the fuselage from that
Hi Robert, ref spit canopy, you wont get an accuate diamentions across the fuse from the canopy because they always spread. I think the diamention between the knuck points is 22″ , but can check that tomorrow.
Steve.
An unregistered reader, not a million miles from TFC, advises:-
…if memory seves me correctly the rudder issue is to do with engine size development and the broad chord rudder with the split tab was to assist with the rudder direction on take off to counteract the torque of the Griffon engine
Mark
Yes I think your source is right in what they say about the broad chord rudder.
Steve
Steve,
That was SM845…..! I think that was also wrong!
I know we did considerable wrestling with big rudders at the time.
Bruce
Bruce, After I had posted that i did wonder if I was right because it was for a MKXV111 and not a X1V !! SM845 being a MKXV111
Steve
In the case of SM832, it comes under ‘customer request’
The entire tailplane assembly now fitted to ‘832 was new build. The client supplied the rudder they wanted fitted, and we fitted it!
I seem to remember that the balance tab had been built back to front, so we had to turn it the right way round!
Bruce
Hi Bruce , you are quite correct about the rudder on SM832, it was a new build when Adrian Reynard had the plane. I did it at AA & i do seem to remember that the trim tab was built wrong. That must have been in about 1997 or 98 at a guess.
Steve