As For typhoon T-2 its capabilities are far from equaling that of Rafale. It is not even equal to F-2 standards…

Okay Fonk lets here your ‘expert’ ‘opinion’ on this. Are you saying it isn’t as good as the Rafale at this stage in its ‘stepped’ programme?

Or are you saying it will not be, nay, could never be as good as the Rafale?

Phil :rolleyes:

Okay seeing as I started this thread I think I should try to adjudicate. I did not compare the capabilities of these two aircraft in relation to each other or any other type. I don’t even think that is quantifiable though on the face of it the F22 should come out on top. I was talking about the cost of the Typhoon and comparing that to the cost of the F22 and trying as hard as I might to find out the real costs using yourselves as fellow aviation nuts to help me find out what the real costs are because I am interested.

I am not interested in anti British, anti American, anti Russian or anti whatever BS because some small minded idiot has a cross to bear and a chip on his/her shoulder, a bias point of view and thinks that the Brits or the Yanks or the Ruskies or anybody else can’t build a decent fighter plane worth a damn (scuse the Americanism).

I’m talking about costs so for christs sake get a grip and, if you have a mind, tell me what you know, what you think you know or what you have read about it and try to keep the arguing to a minimum and try to come to some kind of consensus. It matters not one jot to the sales prospects of these machines based on somebody’s opinion of the people who built it.

Thanks

Phil

in all probability russian RWRs also have yet to advance to the extent where they can detect and lock on to LPI emissions from APG-77, especially when used in its low-power EMCON mode. in that sense the Raptor will have a much better idea of where the Sukhoi is than the Sukhoi(using IRST only) has of where the Raptor is. chances are the Raptor will see first, and shoot first. the only question left is whether the Sukhoi can jam the AMRAAM. hmm…..

Raptor and Typhoon are basically worlds apart – in radar, performance, agility, and stealthiness. the price tag for a Tranche 3 Typhoon will be much higher than Tranche 2 figures quoted here, and even that would not bring it to a level close to that of the Raptor. i would rather have 1 F/A-22A than 4 Typhoons.

of course, this is a moot point as long as the Raptor and Typhoon don’t end up fighting each other. the Typhoon is indeed good enough to beat the SU-35; with this analysis you could say the Raptor is overkill and the Typhoon is a bargain. but when the PAK-FA enters service and owns your Typhoons then you’d wish you ordered those Raptors even if you’d have ended up with fewer of them.

Damn I forgot we had experts on this forum. :diablo:

Phil 🙂