Second restoration
I believe the second restoration was caused by acute pilot discomfort following the discovery of the amount of putty & paint covering active corrosion of main structures.
I don’t think the aircraft was converted from an Allison A-36 variant. If memory serves me right, Regina started with a P-51B/C centre section, which he completed with a D mainplane and sundry other components.
Veltro
Does the extant/flying ratio enter into the equation? Is the CR.42 less rare than the Macchi C.202/205 because one of the four in existence is destined to fly?
Veltro
Stewart
The G.50 is unique (sole survivor, in storage in Belgrade).
The Macchi C.202/5 family is very rare – five survivors of about 1500 built.
Veltro
Interesting debate. What were the differences between the H-75 and H-751?
Veltro
The latest issue of LE FANA DE L’AVIATION has an inflight photo of the unarmed no. 82, clearly legible on the rudder, in service with the 4th Escadrille of the Cazaux fighter school in 1948 or 1949. The photo is credited to “BA 120”.
Veltro
When the Italians first flew D.520s in 1940, they were very impressed, particularly by the cannon. At the time, the average Italian fighter had an 840 hp Fiat A.74 radial.
By 1943, when they were flying DB.601-powered Macchi C.202s and were looking forward to DB.605-powered C.205, Fiat G.55 and RE 2005, the Italians found the D.520 had luckluster performance.
My conclusion: the D.520 was probably in the Spit I/Hurri I category. A later Merlin would improve things, a Peregrine wouldn’t.
But if someone would like to deliver an original D.520 to the Italian Air Force Museum, I will see to it that it gets painted in Italian colours. 😀 😀
Veltro
The Spitfire IX MK805 in the Italian Air Force Museum has a nice replica crowbar, made by the late Aldo Marchetti in 1989. Unfortunately it is usually hidden inside the closed cockpit access panel …
I forget whether the drawings were supplied by the noted Spitfire historian Peter Arnold or whether Aldo, an accomplished artist and model builder, sketched it himself from photographs.
Veltro
Liberators don’t loot – I like that line of thinking.
Since the Allies liberated Italy, something we gratefully celebrate every year on 25 April, perhaps the UK and US should be kind enough to return the aircraft they “liberated” in WW2? :diablo: :diablo:
Yes, that includes the CR.42 at Hendon, Macchi 200 at Dayton and 202 at NASM. :diablo: And since the evil Nazis stole our RE 2002 and proceeded to leave in France, could I have back the Reggiane in Limoges too?
Veltro
😀 😀 😀
(And for tank addicts, the 90 mm SP gun at Aberdeen Proving Ground as well. Unfortunately the Soviets managed to lose RN Cristoforo Colombo, sister ship to the majestic Amerigo Vespucci, but we’ll take its value in P-39s, thank you).
You are probably right when you that we cannot prove either point: lack of information, different accounting systems and so on.
Certainly in my neck of the woods there is one museum which was never rich and is now hurting , one which was a private collection and got substantial money in the early Nineties and is now regularly open with a small staff and one which is military and therefore carries on as ever. A medium private museum opened in the Eighties and subsists, without ever having had any scientific pretensions. A small private museum opened without a business plan and closed.
Most of the WW2 and pre-WWW2 stuff is better looked after than ever before. Some of the post-WW2 American stuff is somewhat worse for tear. Except for the great Caproni push in the early Nineties, virtually everything worth doing has been done by volunteers.
For all the tweed in the world, looking at the overall balance I can’t say much changed here in the sunny Med in the past 20 years.
Veltro
To say that “unplanned acquisitions create gaps” is Orwellian doublespeak. “Unplanned acquisitions” are what saved so much of the material now in existence and afford us the luxury of looking at specific gaps (bride gowns) rather than a generalised lack of artefacts (there is a single Breda type in existence in the entire world, for instance).
If it had been for official foresight, curatorial clarvoyance and other such things, most of our heritage would have gone like the FW200 present in the UK but now lost forever.
This said, I do not see the issue as a funding crisis: there can be little doubt that the museum sector has more money and volunteers than ever before. Those old enough to remember the pre-1976 NASM, the pre-Noble Frankland IWM, pre-Hendon RAF collection might want to compare the standards of restoration, number of displays, major airframes etc with those of today.
I think that Laura Brandon brings to light the changing views of the role of the museum within the museum profession. Curators see their role increasingly as “teaching through displays” and look for money for temporary exhibitions rather than acquisitions, restorations and so on. The trouble is, this does not sit well with enthusiasts. I have been on both sides of the fence and see the merit of both. There is probably no easy right or wrong, and we should be happy that there are so many things going on, everywhere, with private or public money, or indeed with no money at all – like volunteers.
Veltro
PV140 was probably photographed in Britain, as the picture appears in many old publications including (IIRC) the stalwart Aircam. It was sold to Turkey but the ferry flight was unsuccessful and the aircraft ended up at Brindisi. It was eventually taken on charge by the Italian Air Force at Lecce on 19 May 1949, becoming MM.4286.
The same occurred to RK803, which became MM.4287, but for which no photo seem to have emerged so far.
Prints or very high resolution photos of either Spit very welcome!
Veltro
What is the oddly painted wing in the background? Is there an engine attached to fuselage?
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ZX-J
Mark 12,
The lake is very deep and many years ago an underwater exploration revealed nothing but an HU-16A Albatros which had crashed in a known location.
Bear in mind that the lake is extremely deep and that much of the accessible wreckage was recovered for scrap just after the war. This included the Cant. Z.511 four-engine floatplane, which had been scuttled to prevent it from falling in German hands.
The lake has since been designated a water reservoir for Rome and all power navigation banned. Still, I would imagine that with proper paperwork and funding a dedicated search might be attempted.
Veltro
ZX-J
Neville Duke ditched Spitfire VIII JG241/ZX-J in lake Bracciano on 7 June 1944. The story appears in his published memoirs. The aircraft is presumably still there, right in front of the Italian Air Force Museum.
Veltro
All hope not lost
My dream is for TFC to have the Fiat CR.42 flying at Legends. Unfortunately we’ll have to wait until 2006 to see it shoot down Gladiators once again. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Veltro