Andy – sorry I was digressing absoloutely no relevance to aircraft.
However an Air Ministry brass sight/navigation aid with a 6B code was sold at auction on Monday as being from an MTB.
Sorry – shower testing of fabrics is based on how much water arrives in a measuring cylinder underneath the fabric!
No instrumentation!
Beermat I have been passed a picture of a crashed 109 E tail that is 100% identical. same shape, metal and rivet lines.
It appears that the E ha a different rudder horn to the G and the later models removed it altogether.
The piece I have had previously was a horn from a G – and it was different – shape, hole and metal overlap.
I also had an elevator balance weight that was also different.
So I am now 100% sure that it is an Me Bf 109E that was painted in RLM02 and likely lost over Britain in the early part of the war .
It is sad that its identity has been lost and replaced with the id of a Hurricane.
I have contacted the seller again to ask for provenance. I am sure it was not duplicit.
Perfect !
No definitive picture of a rudder construction in either book.
Checking the shapes and overlaying in photoshop – it fits the Albacore and not the barracuda.
The paint could be a faded sky ?
Beermat – Since pointing out that it was not Hurricane the seller has so far not responded – hence no more information on its provenance.
Strangely he not only said it was Hurricane mk2c but he also gave an identity and the squadron. So unless he was duped in the past….
P.S. I have ordered books on Albacore and Barracuda to see if I can get a 100% positive id.
Whilst searching for other crashed Albacore images I came across this link to some Italian WW2 photographs.
Thought they may be of interest.
http://www.alieuomini.it/pagine/dettaglio/uomini,5/un_aereo_nemico_e_stato_abbattuto,305.html
There is a good match to an Albacore
https://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/steinland.html
Tony I have had a few 109 rudder weights and they are that shape but different construction.
Quick overlay on PS show it is definitely not Battle.
Thanks Dave Also confirms that rudder has to have more metal and less acute top.
Checking images I can see a similarity to
Fairey Albacore; Barracuda; Gordon.
Supermarine Walrus
Percival Proctor
Me109 and 110.
I think we can discount Fairey Battle – this picture from the Battle of France Then and Now shows the shape of the mass balance section.
Although theoretically this could be the aluminium section – the top profile is too acute.
Exactly Beermat.
However – the swordfish – like the hurricane is a frame with no aluminium around it.
The 110 rudder is similar- but its rudder weight is in the middle and uses an aerodynamic leading edge instead ( vultee report)
http://axis.classicwings.com/Luftwaffe/relics/images/Bf%20110%20G%20rudder.jpg
Your beloved Whirlwind has a similar tail.
The piece I have is 13 inches long and 11 inches high – so bigger than a Spitfire rudder as is the weight.
Sorry Beermat – the angles at the front edge do not work.
These flat fin top types do not match – the fin trailing edge needs to be at 45 degrees.
Bill the problem with Ju87 is that there are so few around to compare parts with.
I agree that the slot had a purpose.
Good luck
Brian
Bill I have looked at it several times on the internet and concluded it is definitely Junkers but despite looking I can get no further.
So you have a choice 88 or 87 (not sure it is 52.).
Most modern balloon fabric is a mix of polyurethanes on the lower section and silicone on the section directly above the burner. Neither of which are period.
I used to work with two coaters in the UK who prepared coated fabrics by knife coating polymers onto fabric and curing in a continuous oven – a lot of other parts came from far east. I would have thought an aluminium pigmented coating on a polyester or rip stop nylon would be available off the shelf . It depends how authentic you want it to be.