Thanks looking forward to receiving the file. I can assure you, self and mate for over 60 years , will be haveing a beer or as we discuss the nitty gritty and debate which was better, round oil eaters or coleman lanterns.:eagerness::very_drunk:
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thanks , The electronic version would be great, save on postage. save the originals for someone who would really like them. we are just refreshing memories on Airflows temps and operations over a beer or two, so it is a memory refresher and re-living youth.
Hi,
I m ex RAAF and lost my course notes some years ago and wonder if these are still available?
TIA Nev williams
Time is making some holes in recent memory but RAAF time is like a few days ago and very vivid but sometimes I get the facts confused with another incident.
Have to be brave and a hero to grow old.
Piston engine fuels, top end, 100-130 (green) and 115 -145 (red).
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re Fuel Colour In my part of the world Red = 80-87 Green =100-130 and Purple =115 -145
and Clear 80 unleaded.
INteresting information re a different engine to the conversion,
AS far as to what oil the Napier Sabre used that is for someone else to respond. I was only a Lad in on the other side of the world.
there are different circumstances coming into play as the Sabre is liquid cooled and cylinder wall is at a lower temperature., However 100U was in use in wartime.
Piston engine fuels, top end, 100-130 (green) and 115 -145 (red).
FEAF carried out trials using 100U oil on a couple of Beverleys at Seletar circa 1963 in place of OM270. Then reverted back to OM270. Reasons I know not.
With the introduction of 100LL it was anticipated in the Historic a/c world there would be problems but I do not believe they manifested themselves as max TO power or max cruise was very rarely used.
My personal opinion is that overhaul and maintenance knowledge has diminished over the years and the fact that the correct inhibiting procedures are not followed when aircraft are inactive.
OM270 is a heavier viscosity oil the 100, so it may be because of the higher ambient ground temps in the tropics.
At Richmond Australia , 1960s, we were using 100 U for both Hastings (weekly Courier service) and Beverleys (occasionally).
We had to re-oil using Hand pumps from 44 Gallon Drums and always at night.
Does someone knows what was so specific about that 100U oil?
I THINK the formulation of the oil was to withstand high temperatures and small tolerances between sleeve and cylinder wall and to prevent Oil breakdown between Sleeve and Cylinder wall increasing friction thus causing increased wear and tear, due to high temps.
Wait, since the topic started with the question of Furys having their engines swapped with US units, why are compounded versions of 3350 being mentioned here for comparisons anyway? They had their own reliability issues and nobody uses them in air-racing, as there are other methods of increasing performance for racing purposes. Neither “Rare Bear” nor “September Fury” use compounded Cyclones.
Unless we’re just talking generally about 3350 vs Centaurus, then yes, any version can be discussed.
In either case, I’m fairly sure the swaps were done mostly because of spare parts availability. Neither parts nor qualified workforce for maintaining modified 3350 are simple to find in US these days and I can only imagine they’re almost nonexistent for much less popular British units.
Topic started with why the Sea Fury’s Centaurus were swapped with Wright R3350 turbo compound, Not US Radials in General.
Water/methanol injection, normally used for hot & high airfield take offs.
Keith
Also used to delay/prevent detonation to obtain additional HP for take off. Not necessarily only for hot and dry airfields.
I know that with the R3350s 70 ” MAP with water Methanol , 60″MAP without. We always used 70″ for takeoff.
Fedden Butler = FB. Fedden was the celebrity chef while Butler cut the onions, but the coding acknowledges it was a team effort. I wonder what the power to weight ratio is between 3350 and Centaurus?
Thanks for the correction.
The Centaurus had a weight of 3400 Lbs and up to 2940 HP wet giving Lbs /hp of 1.156 to 1.19
The R1830 weighed 2670 lbs and between 3350 Dry to 3700hp Wet. Using 3700 HP the lbs/hp is .72.
More grunt for the Lb.
In my post of two days ago the other reason was power. Instead of relying on Memory I refreshed it by looking at Engine powere specs.
a R3350-30W (Military engine) could produce 3700 BHP Wet 3500 dry
Centaurus the highest spec engine about 3000 BHP.
So the wright Turbo compound was the winner in Power stakes.
It was nice to see that my remark the 100 U oil was a necessity being endorsed and that the Sleeve valve engines are/were a magnificent piece of engineering.
Just a small aside and bit of trivia. the Sleeve valve engines parts have a Part number beginning with FB translated Fedden Bristol
Hello nennrita, well, the thread starter is still around and waiting for further insights … :eagerness: … but fifteen years is a long time. It’s amazing that you found the thread!
It turned up on Facebook about a week ago and having worked on Both engines I was curious, signed up and the rest is history.