I doubt it. Back in the early 1960s, the PLAAF’s assets were still focused almost exclusively at Taiwan. I’ve never ever came across any reliable info on such clashes anyway, whereas the PRC side of the story of PLAAF vs RoCAF clashes during the 1950s and 1960s are very well documented and pretty easy to find.

Thanks – yep, that looks like a police Eekhoorn.

Could you post it? I’m not really up to Dutch police helos (in all honesty, i thought they only had Bo-105s and some of Cessnas).

Oh, and that Dutch UH-1N is actually an AB412. Four-bladed rotors. Here you have a Dutch Hiller H-23B Raven in return.

A Dutch AS350?????

Back to being humorous, but not entirely, would a suicide bomber be considered a kind of PGM?

I think you’re spot on with that comparison. Throughout history, military planners always calculated what would be acceptable losses to achieve a certain goal. Today modern armies accept only very low casualty rates, in WW1 those figures were far higher. If you are ready for accepting losses close to 100% to achieve your goal, you might just as well make sure that your target goes down together with your own troops. That way you’ll get at least some value for your investment (which in this case would be indoctrination rather than a sum of money). If you can get the psychology thing worked out, it’s your best cheap equivalent to a PGM.

Probably the most effective (from a military point of view) kamikaze attacks were those by Vietcong sappers at US airbases during the Tet offensive. While those guys didn’t blow themselves up with their targets, their attack (intruding an airbase, run past the flightline while throwing satchel charges at parked aircraft) definately was suicidal. They knew that. I think they combined the cheap and improvised nature of modern day suicide attacks (including 9/11) with the accuracy and saturation of, for example, the Japanese kamikaze attacks. While Al Quaida is pretty creative in thinking of targets and methods of attack, i think they are pretty optimistic with their one target=one weapon approach. It would obviously be harder to organise a more complex attack that way, but i think that a lot more damage could be done.

I personally think that if current-day terrorists would be able to combine their creativity in thinking of suicide attacks with some sort of saturation (20 speedboats against a USN destroyer rather than one), their effect would be far more devastating and defending against it would be a lot more difficult. think Steve’s right in comparing the attack on the USS Cole to a single Exocet. A modern-day admiral would attack an enemy fleet by launching a whole bunch of AShM’s in order to cripple or sink one ship. Why not organise a suicide attack along similar lines?

During test flights it was found an incredibly difficult machine to fly, far too hard for inexperienced pilots. The state acceptance trials were simply failed. Unfortunately, thanks to ineffective state planning, the Su-11 had already been ordered into production from GAZ153/Novosibirsk. The aircraft might have been deployed as second-line aircraft with three PVO regiments (Khotilovo, Yefremov and Afrikanda), but only as second-line interceptors (the PVO often had two types of aircraft in one regiment) just because they were there. The Su-11s played second fiddle to the Su-15 in all three regiments. Pun intended of course.

Better still: it’s late, you’ve ended up in back in your German hotel room after a good night of drinking. But you feel hungry, blessed is the thought that you know you still have a can of wiener sausages in your luggage somewhere.

So the can is opened (probably with a fork or something), and you look for something to pour the disgusting brine in. Cold sausages is one thing, that greasy brine something else.
“Ah! An empty cola can! That’ll do fine to pour the sausage-water in, i’ll throw it out tomorrow!”
And so it be done.

Next morning. Hungover. Thirsty. Need drink!
“Ah! A can of cola left over from last night!”

😀

It didn’t happen to me, thank goodness. I did witness the event. Thank goodness even more!