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  • in reply to: Unusual burner pics! #2670571
    Arthur
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    Another interesting factoid: Marquardt built one of the very first (or maybe even *the* first – I’m not sure) Artificial Kidney Dialysis Machines, tested in 1970 at Cedars Sinai Medical Center, L.A.

    Not first, but definately one of the first more practical machines. The first dialysis machines were built by a Dutch medic, dr. Kolff, in the 1950s. Not that those were really practical, as they were so big that a patient hooked on to them were basically drained of all their blood. Kolff later went on to work at the UCLA/Cedars Sinai, so he was probably involved in the Marquardt machine as well. I believe Marquardt had some interesting membranes for these machines, which ment that the machine could remain small and hence wouldn’t drain the patient too much. With the old machine, blood pressure would drop to dramatically low levels when hooked up.

    For those who think WTF?, a dialysis machine is some sort of ‘external kidney’ which cleans the blood of people which have suffered kidney failures. And for that other WTF: i’ve been the chief editor for the Dutch magazine for nurses in the dialysis and transplant business 🙂

    Arthur
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    No matter how nicely this poem evolves, it doesn’t get a lot better than the original title of this literary masterpiece: “A serious off topic question and one that’s relevant to this thread”

    Wow.

    Apart from the Draken Ken already mentioned, there have of course been another Dragons roaming the skies.
    The Dragon Rapide and De Havilland’s other beautiful biplane Dragons.
    The Dragon Lady (the U-2).
    The Dragonfly (twice: both as Westland’s Sikorsky S51s, and the A-37B).
    Also, the AC-47s over Vietnam used PUFF, DRAGON or DRAGONSHIP as callsigns with Puff of course being a reference to the famous magic dragon.

    Arthur
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    Stand corrected on the J-5 production – single seaters were indeed built until 1959 only (Lims were actually built till 1964, so i was wrong there), but the JJ-5 was built until 1986 – so i reckon that a full spares production was running until that year as well. Which could also explain the high quality of the J-5s when compared to the Lims on the warbird circuit. However, when comparing it would be interesting to know what the actual careers of these warbirds were before being sold on the private market. I do know of some J-5s on offer in the late 1980s with only some 500 hours on their clocks, whereas none of the Polish ones had such low airframe useage.

    I do hope i didn’t misread that quote, and that guy actually thinks that China also built MiG-15/MiG-15UTIs…

    Weekend warrior: the fact that i love Chinese food doesn’t mean that Chinese aircraft are any good, and neither do antique artefacts. With the same logic, i could say that Chinese aircraft suck because the pavements i walked on in China were really, really bad.

    Arthur
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    MiG collectors flying MiG-19s? I think you’re looking at MiG-17s here. And yes, those J-5s in the warbird circuit are definately in a better shape than all the privately-owned MiG-17s (of which i think there actually are none, zero, nada) or Lim5/6es. After all, those J-5s were built twenty years after those Lims…

    in reply to: Unusual burner pics! #2671151
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    Something burning here, although it’s not after.

    in reply to: =====>>> The JUNE Quiz <<<===== #2671157
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    Well, TsAGI is indeed officially a civil institute, but with both military and civil research jobs. In France, the CEV is military-only (it’s an independent branch under the ministry of defense) but does also quite a bit of civilian work. If a job isn’t given to the CEV, the French government/military is either not involved or not interested in the project.

    Although i think the Deltaviex could have made a nice point-defence interceptor 🙂

    Arthur
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    If you allow this fellow primate to join the fray… Showing gloss-painted demoteam aircraft (which also happen to be specifically modified for that job, and definately recieve a lot of extra attention compared to operational fighters) as ‘evidence’ of high-quality surface finish of one country’s aircraft over another country’s is just pure ********. Put a J-7 of the August 1st demoteam next to a Striji MiG-29 or Vityazi Su-35 and both will be looking excellent, dentless and as smooth as a freshly oiled babybum. It would be a lot fairer to compare a twenty-year old MiG-23 with an equally old J-7, for example. Or you can get really mean and compare the length of a J-6 from an early 1960s production batch with the length of a late 1970s-built J-6. Gee, how come that supposedly identical aircraft from an identical factory differ some ten centimetres in length? Admittedly, those non-existant production standards are definately gone in the PRC, but the Soviets never were that bad. Same with the ludicrous claim that Soviet-built RD-9 engines had a short service life, while it’s Chinese copies hadn’t. That’s not quite what the Egyptians experienced with their F-6es, and considering the fact that the first T-8 (later Su-25) prototype flew with engines simply taken out of a MiG-19 does suggest something for the lifespan of the Soviet RD-9s as well.

    I seriously wonder how many airplanes people claiming that “country A has a better production finish than country B” from both countries concerned have seen from up close. If you compare a SABCA-built BLu F-16 with a US-built Greek F-16, some of you would immediately claim that SABCA-Lawndarts are ‘built much better’ than Ft Worth-Lawndarts. But then again, if you would compare a standard USAF F-16 with a standard BLu F-16 the conclusion would definately be the other way around.

    One question: how many of the people claiming that Russian building quality is worse than Chinese, European or American production finish have spent a considerable time looking at tiny details of those very aircraft – in wheelbays, for example? If you haven’t, i wonder on what your claims are based.

    EDIT: Re Crobato’s picture of a “poorly constructed” Soviet aircraft, that one is a German MiG-29. While some of the panels are indeed bent somewhat by repeated opening and closing, the plane looks that bad mostly because of all the blotches of paint used to cover scratches in the original paintjob. Because the original paint has likely faded over the years, the new paint has a different shade even though it comes from the same can. The pic says absolutely nothing about surface finish quality of production aircraft, but only illustrates how ANY aircraft looks after a lot of hard work and out-of-depot maintenance. Each aircraft about to recieve depot work will look like that.
    Just compare a pic like that with the look of the ex-German MiG-29s on delivery to Poland. Did the production quality suddenly improve just because that MiG just recieved overhaul? I think not :rolleyes:

    in reply to: =====>>> The JUNE Quiz <<<===== #2671206
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    That was a good one – thanks. And now i realise why that Deltaviex looked so familiar and definately French. I have some vague memories of a hung-over morning at the Toulouse museum… It struck me then as being extremely small. To be picky, it never was a military project… if it was, it would have been tested by the CEV, not ONERA itself since that is a civil aviation research institute.

    in reply to: Binoculars #1984235
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    Nope, those 20x60s are pretty cheap. Got my last pair for some 100 euros.

    in reply to: =====>>> The JUNE Quiz <<<===== #2671614
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    Of course – an XB/YB-52 with that early fighter-style canopy! Didn’t think of that!
    Still nothing on the French delta thing though, i’m afraid i either have to go out and buy a book on French prototypes, or start digging through a dusty pile of old Air Frnas hoping that eventually…

    Those CEV Meteors (NF 11/12/14 and T7) did lots of work throughout the 1960s. I think they operated some fifteen or so, both for pure experimental work (like the ECM-one on the pic, or radiation sampling over French nuclear testing when it was still in Algeria) and for more mundane jobs like chaseplane missions. They were a pretty useful asset for a mini-NASA or mini-LII like the CEV is. And i don’t think that after the Meteor they ever got a simple multi-use aircraft like the two-seat Meteor ever again. Those Paris were never modified as much, the Fougas were too small, and all the current Falcon testbeds are often enough just a bit too large.
    Not to mention that the CEV operated a Vautour until about 1990. Definately a nice organisation.

    in reply to: =====>>> The JUNE Quiz <<<===== #2672029
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    Now with a bit of googling googling and a lot of help from the hints:

    3. — What was the first aircraft with a hydraulic system with a pressure of
    3.1. — 3000psi Hint: A heavy U.S.

    B-36? Not sure, but i did find a number of references on problems with their high-pressure hydraulics. Then again, the other candidate i can think of is the Bristol Brabazon which wasn’t military.

    3.3. — 5000psi Hint: Not so long ago and still doesn’t work

    The V-22 Osprey. Yet another possible program-killer…

    …basically all T-tails have slight anhedral.

    Not all of them. The Voodoo had dihedral, and the Javelin had perfectly straight tailplanes. Not that either one had particularly pleasant characteristics.

    12. — Identify these six planes, and plz be as specific as possible
    X — X — X (yes, “something French”, but what?) — MiG27K — “Prone” Meteor — X (what Meteor? it is not Israeli. Hint: It is French)
    Hint from left to right: A heavy U.S. plane (basically easy, but an uncommon view — a USN fighter — something the French used for Delta-research — that funny-nosed Meteor flew till about 1967 in France

    Left: AJ Savage? It’s not an airplane i’m really familiar with, but the small sloping canopy does look like it.
    Second: thanks for the hint, it’s an F7U-3 Cutlass (with the high canopy). You’re looking from the rear towards the back-end of the canopy, the ‘flared’ pieces which appear to be some sort of wings at the bottom of the pic are actually the intakes.
    Third: still no idea… that final Payen thing perhaps?
    That Meteor: one of many NF11 testbeds from the CEV, this one doing EW tests over Cazaux?

    in reply to: PIXIES! In Brazil! In my town! #1984515
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    Bald and forty? Nope, but i guess i compensate that with beer… and i don’t like U-Mass at all. Velouria, Gigantic, Wave of mutilation and Tame are the songs for me.

    in reply to: I don't know what forum this should go in. #2672788
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    The one in the back is a long one, so most likely an L100-30. Most, if not all, ex-military Hercs flying as civilian cargo planes are short ones.

    in reply to: =====>>> The JUNE Quiz <<<===== #2672793
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    Goodie quiz! First a quick round…

    June’s dozen. In accordance with convention everything is military and post-WW2.

    1. — Name at least four non-modular “nose loader” cargoplanes

  • C-5
  • An-124
  • An-225
  • C-124.

    2. — Name at least three cargoplanes with dual continuous cargo floors (not cargo deck plus pax deck!)

  • C-124 again
  • Bréguet Br.761/763/765 Deux Ponts / Sahara (being the civilian and military variants, but essentially the same design)
  • Convair XC-99.
    Then there are a few about which i’m not sure if the upper floor is continuous (probably not, considering wing boxes/spars), or which could otherwise be not entirely in the true spirit of the question as to be dictated by the Quizmaster 🙂 :
  • Hughes H-4 (the Spruce Goose that is).
  • Martin Mars
  • Blackburn Beverly
  • Lockheed C-5 Galaxy
  • Convair R3Y Tradewind

    3. — What was the first aircraft with a hydraulic system with a pressure of
    3.1. — 3000psi
    3.2. — 4000psi
    3.3. — 5000psi

    Euhh… mind if i pass? I’ll be doing a google round later…

    4. — Another couple of “firsts”:
    4.1. — the first jet trainer with dual controls

    That would be the Me-262 S5 prototype, but since it flew in 1944 the answer should be different. The first post-war purpose-built jet aircraft with twin controls from the outset was i think the Sud-Ouest SO 6000 Triton, from 1946. First one to actually enter production was probably the TF-80C (later T-33) from 1948, and the first purpose-built jet trainer to reach service should have been the Fouga Magister.

    4.2. — the first single seat jet with four jet engines

    VJ 101? I first thought of the Curtiss XF-97, but that was a twin-seater.

    4.3. — the first twin-turboprop and the date of its first flight

    Only barely post-WW2 that one! The Trent Meteor, or former Meteor F Mk I EE227 refitted with two Trent turboprop engines in stead of it’s Wellands. The Trents were actually modified Derwent turbojets, interestingly enough. This one flew first on September 20th, 1945 from Church Broughton with Eric Greenwood on controls.

    5. — Name at least three supersonic aircraft with built-in defensive weaponry

    B-58, Tu-22 Blinder, Tu-22M Backfire.

    6. — Which jet carried the highest number of external fuel tanks?

    I guess the Super Hornet should, and i hope napalm doesn’t count as fuel… Highest fuel tank capability should be with the F-16s capable of CFTs: central pylon, two under each wing (or am i goofing up here?), and two on top of the fuselage. For a total of seven external tanks. For non-conformal tanks, the Draken and F-111 could carry six.

    7. — Name a supersonic single-seat swing-wing twin-engine jet. Was there one at all?

    There was one. Mirage G8 number 02 was a single-seater. It was originally planned to become one of the two twin-seat prototypes for the Mirage G4 (which was to be an operational variant, the G8s were built for experimental purposes after the AdlA cancelled it’s order for 60 Mirage G4s), but the G4 program was cancelled when G4 02 was still under construction. It was completed as a single-seat companion to the twin-seat G8 01.

    8. — Name a number of manned pure jet powered aircraft with anhedral aft stabilator built

    Pointing down that is, right?

    8.1. — in the Americas, at least six of them

  • Phantom
  • F-16 Lawndart
  • F-5
  • YC-14
  • YC-15
  • C-17
  • C-22 (i wouldn’t dare to put the Boeing 727 in a quiz like this 😉 )

    8.2. — in Europe (incl USSR), at least five of them

  • Tornado
  • Sud-Ouest SO 9000/9050 Trident
  • MiG-23PD (the one with the lift engines, round intakes, delta wings… you know, the one which didn’t look like a MiG-23 at all).
  • MiG-29
  • Scimitar

    8.3. — in Asia, at least two of them

    Duh… just name the Asian F-16 clones!

  • Ching-Kuo
  • F-2
  • C-1 (not an F-16 clone actually)

    9. — The first operation of U.S. forces from bases in Spain. When did it take place, where did they operate from, which unit was it, what did they fly, where did they go from Spain?

    10. — It is said, that only once a B-36 flew nonstop down to South America and back. Whereto and why and when and from which unit?

    Pass on both for now.

    11. — It was quite common for large Soviet military aircraft to have a commercial “cousin” (like Tu-95 and Tu-114 or Tu-16 and Tu-104). Name Western aircraft where the same happened.

  • C-130 -> L100
  • C-97 -> Boeing 377
  • C160 -> one or two also known as Transall which were/are used by Aeropostale, and i think that one civilian Trall also lingered in Indonesia for a while.
  • C-69 -> L049 and subsequently all other sorts of Constellation.
  • Dassault Mystere -> Falcon 20 (it’s a bit of a stretch, but essentially it’s a new fuselage and engines mated to a Super Mystère’s wing and tail)
  • FFA P-16 -> Learjet (even more of a stretch)
  • Lots and lots of helicopters.

    12. — Identify these six planes, and plz be as specific as possible

    From left to right:

  • Question mark
  • Question mark
  • Question mark, but it looks awfully French.
  • MiG-27K
  • The Prone-Pilot Meteor, don’t know if that is the full designation. It was built to see how sick a pilot would get if he laid down on his belly and recieved lots of G’s. Armstrong Whitworth scabbed this nose on a Meteor F8.
  • Also a Meteor, an ex- T7 or NF11/12/13, but where it got that nose… Is this the ex-Israeli NF13 which became the testbed for the Gabriel missile? If so, then it’s number 57 and now preserved at Hatzerim.
in reply to: What jet did your country start off with? #2672849
Arthur
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Venlo is a glider airfield now, although the gliders actually fly from a stretch of grass just south of the former runways. While the airbase was big (dispersal areas and taxiways extending six or seven kilometres north, and about eight kilometres south), it wasn’t quite close enough for nice and saucy wreckages to be found near Brüggen, unfortunately. Since Venlo was on the frontline for about six months (it was only liberated by the Americans in March 1945, whereas the village across the Maas river was taken by the Brits in October 44) and because the planes there were special enough to warrant some extra attention by Allied bombers, there was too little left of the airbase to make it operational again. Apart from a few liaison flights, i don’t know of any post-war use of the airbase – bar the gliders, of course.

Thankfully, plans of the city of Venlo to clear out the area for building purposes have been canned. Both because there still seems to be a lot of unexploded ordnance in the ground, and also because at least the old control tower has been given a monumental status. There are some pretty accurate pics of what it looks like today at http://www.atlantikwall.net/related_fliegerhorst_venlo.htm I don’t think any Ar-234s ever operated from Venlo, by the time those entered service Venlo was already far too close to the frontline to safely operate aircraft from.

I don’t think there will be a lot of He-219 wrecks in the area though, and definately not as far south as Brüggen (my, that’s almost 30km away!). An old coot in the area where i live now, does insist that a bunch of Javelins are buried in the woods north of Geilenkirchen though… :rolleyes:

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