If it should be at the Carolinas/Virginia coast area, why not use Myrtle Beach?
Erez,
These are a number of the links with articles posted previously, being evidence of significant US involvement in design, research and development in the Lavi. I posted a number more in earlier threads, but since i’m on terribly slow dial-up at the moment i hope you can forgive me in not being as exhaustive as i’ve been the previous three times 😉
Now, if you would be so kind to do us a favour and give us checkable sources for your claims…
Still no reason to import other forum’s trash here.
Now i’m positive – the world desperately NEEDS Scroti-Fresh.
And Koalandia should be careful… for Tibexas might rear it’s ugly head again!
Essentially, yes. Although the group doesn’t necessarily have to pressure an individual. Individuals are usually more than willing to be part of a group, and adjust themselves to that group. There are dozens of examples: people willing to offer their freedoms to join a religion or cult, people willing to put their life on the line for their country, people feeling superior to others not belonging to The Group.
In the prison experiment you didn’t just have a no-restrictions on human cruelty and practical problems with applying absolute power, but also two Groups: the Prisoners and the Wardens. Worst of both worlds, if you ask me.
The real experiment was never carried out – it was cut short after things escalated way too early. I think it was planned to let the experiment run for two weeks or a month or so, but it got cancelled after only a few days. I think a google search will do wonders here.
And while you’re at it, look for the electroshock experiments too. You know, the guys in white coats saying it’s no problem to turn that dial far into the red zone before applying electricity to another person.
Mind you, i don’t think humans are basically evil. Humans (as any other form of life) are basically selfish, the ‘evil’ label is just some sort of morality-indicator added after certain social groups had discovered some ways of behaviour were against the interests of that certain social group.
As for me thinking that humans are basically stupid, that’s another thing… If not, then why isn’t the plural for human humen?
“If you’re not getting the president on that phone…”
“What?”
“You’re gonna have to answer to the Coca Cola company!”
Never tell the ingredients before diner is done.
Nope, it’s only that people’s true nature tends to come out if people are given absolute power over other people. We’re quite a disgusting species at that. Extreme circumstances [i]might[/Ã] make the process go faster or be more extreme. But the original experiment was conducted on a university campus IIRC, the circumstances for the people involved in the test were as normal as they could be.
Not until tomorrow, guys. Not until tomorrow…
No, not Gollem. Brigade General Jack D. Ripper, Strategic Air Command.
Youw fwiend Wodewick? Ow Wodgew? Always making fun of those poow Womans…
Uh-oh… before you know it, they’ll fluoridate the water and everyone will be robbed of his precious bodily fluids 😮
Oh pleazzzze Erez! A number of times we’ve given you links which in detail described the massive US involvement in the whole Lavi design, development and eventual production, but you refuse to believe those for some reason.
Yet on the other hand, for the Lavi – J-10 connection you don’t provide anything we can check out for ourselves (the date of that Ha’aretz article would be nice, for one) but we only have to believe you on your word?
Now i don’t mind you being stubborn, but if you then prefer to leave the discussion with an awfully pathetic
I’m out of this thread. I’m sick and tired of people that believe in themselves too much.
I’m also tired out of the fact that several people here don’t go out and do some study before speaking out here.
when you haven’t provided anything to back up your alleged ‘studies’ isn’t really giving you much credibility…
Because they love racing?